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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Wednesday, 25 April 2007
One door closes and another door opens.
Mood:  caffeinated
Now Playing: 'Let me call you a taxi because your ears are so big' Duet: Yank Snow/Patsy Blind
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

R.I.P.

ProgrammersHeaven Laughing Place #1

July 6, 2003 - April 25, 2007

Done bit the big one and gone home sweet Prince. 

The management at ProgrammersHeaven (nuff said) has seen fit to shut down our discussion at that site so if you are a mind to you may migrate over to this place:

VCSY A Laughing Place #3

The backchannel email discussion on ProgrammersHeaven is still in place and I may be reached there by PH email. Here is my personal page there: Portuno at ProgrammersHeaven

And, by the way, I am also found on Slashdot here if you ever get lonely: Rastamafoo on Slashdot


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:12 PM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 2:54 PM EDT
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Tuesday, 24 April 2007
So then we brought in a couple tanks and punched through the bunker.
Mood:  on fire
Now Playing: 'Mulldova on a Saturday Night' Friends decide to join the Army and kick some hotcha pangy infected heathen butt.
Topic: Notable Opinions

To some it's only a movie...

By: morrie33
24 Apr 2007, 10:26 PM EDT
Msg. 183277 of 183277

"300"..., the hit movie, and it's correlation to VCSY...

The blockbuster movie 300 is based on historical precedence. King Leonidas of Sparta gathers 300 of his best soldiers to fight the upcoming Persian invasion. Because he knows this is a suicide mission, Leonidas selects only men who have sired male children to carry on their legacy. They plan to stop King Xerxes's invasion of Greece at the narrow cliffs of Thermopylae, forcing their soldiers to funnel through a small opening in a cliff that Leonidas used strategically to prevent the Spartans from being overwhelmed by Xerxes' army's numbers. Leonidas' small army of 300 is besieged and attacked by a Persian army of thousands and thousands. Overwhelmed, outnumbered, the Spartans battle on to the end...

It's heroic. It's inspiring. It's the stuff legends are made of, I mean obviously, they've made how many movies and written how many books on this "underdog" story...

But here today we have some posters and some LONGS attacking VCSY for going into a "siege" mentality against ROSS/CDC and now trying to attack the big boys at microsoft.

I don't understand the total misunderstandings of what people think is happening here.

We have a little penny stock that a NASDAQ company ROSS was treating badly. ROSS was swallowed by a bigger NASDAQ company, CDC, and it's deep pockets, and they laughed at little VCSY and their crappy attempt at a lawsuit. VCSY sheltered down. They went dark. They had their attorneys struggle forward. Now, in hindsight, we can say that maybe microsoft was also covertly attacking VCSY and trying to bring about their ruin. Bashers, naked shorting, the SEC, etc., etc. all attempts were tried on VCSY to ruin it. CDC/ROSS has very deep pockets. They could stretch the court case out, try to stall so VCSY would either give up or go out of business...either way ROSS/CDC would outlast VCSY.

But VCSY battled on. And last week, the little-penny-stock-that-could beat ROSS in a court of law. The OTCBB stock, which had to come back from the pink sheets, beat a NASDAQ company, a very well financed NASDAQ company, in a New York Court of law...

The 300 soldiers of VCSY beat back the first extended wave of the mighty Persian army...

And instead of people claiming it was historic and monumental, some posters and some LONGS were saying, "what a waste of time" and "nothing was gained" and "this is all we got for those years?"

King Leonidas should leap from his grave and slash some throats. How completely disrespectful of our little David who knocked down mini Goliath.

It wasn't all about the money. It's not all about the share price. It's principle. It's morals. ROSS was wrong, and little VCSY proved them wrong. They stuck up for themselves. They didn't fold.

But, I'm ashamed at some LONGS who only see the share price and whine, "what did we get for that? Squat." For shame...

The story of David and Goliath is in the Bible for a reason. People loved the movie ROCKY for a reason. The Bad News Bears were heroes for a reason. They were all underdogs, and they stood up for themselves, and they won in the end.

The VCSY/ROSS case ended a freakin' week ago, but some of us have already sold VCSY down the river, "Ohh, whatever, that court victory was so last week, what have you done for me lately?"

And the same people proclaim, "What another waste of time for the little VCSY to take on mighty microsoft."

How shallow. How completely lacking in foresight.

I'm proud of my little investment. It was a first baby step in a long freakin' journey. I'll be here 'til the end. It's going to be spectacular. And Leonidas and his army won't be killed in this version. You don't have to trust me...but you should.

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long)


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:43 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:07 PM EDT
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Easy Answers
Mood:  a-ok
Now Playing: 'Wampum West' Frontier fighters turned sod-busters take up lodging in the fertile plains. Remake: 'How Green Is My Roof?'
Topic: Notable Opinions

Good thing this was the easy one to answer first.

RR2 slapping ham like the sandwich king.

By: RapidRobert2
24 Apr 2007, 12:03 PM EDT
Msg. 183184 of 183237
(This msg. is a reply to 183175 by bart2e.)

bart2: You are the easy one to answer first, so I will start with your poorly thought out post.

You state "I hope, however, that the serving and processing of lawsuits doesn't become the main business strategy of the company. Vertical would have a lot more credibility if they were actually selling Siteflash - and other products and services - through their own salesforce. A license or two would also do wonders".

The company IS using 'SiteFlash' and other patent(s) in other products, along with a big partner. Hold onto something when we get the news, or you WILL get blown over or blown away, either works for me. Not only does the USE of 'SiteFlash' with a partner bring in money and/or other things in the future but also REINFORCES the lawsuit, both in URGENCY and AMOUNT of the suit...That means MORE money because of damages (HARM) done to VCSY with infringing on the VCSY patent(s) and selling competing products that take money away from VCSY and their partner. PRIOR USE of a patent is MUCH better than just filing a lawsuit and saying someone is 'using' the patent(s) with no harm because it wasn't being used anyway. MORE CLOUT in the court and MORE CLOUT for a settlement and license agreements, with royalty a year for income. NICE! FOR VCSY...NOT FOR MSFT!

If anyone thinks the partners of MSFT are going to be silent and play 'ignore them' when they learn that the product they BOUGHT or DEVELOPED with MSFT is using software illegally, YOU ARE WRONG and IF it can be proved that those 'other' partners of MSFT KNOWINGLY used the STOLEN software in their development of other products...Watch out. And, for those innocent MSFT partners that are in the middle, THEY WON'T LIKE IT AND THEY WON'T BE SILENT TO MSFT.

And this statement indicates you still don't understand management or the business of VCSY. You state "As was rightly pointed out, 4 years of stealth for 2 million dollars was hardly worth it. In fact, in retrospect, if that was what was going on, it was complete nonsense".

Duh! Sorry for being rude but I have been through this all with you before and I 'guess' you either didn't understand it or simply forget you knew what was going on when you first complained about these things on THIS board and YOU HAD the information in front of you to read from the response of LONGS on this board.

Forget the money from the Ross suit, although I think getting CASH of about $2.5 MILLION from Ross is nice and don't forget Ross also paid almost one million to the VCSY lawyers and add another million Ross paid to their own lawyers and the amount of the award is more impressive. IF VCSY lost, they would have had to pay those fees. THEY DIDN'T LOSE IT, THEY WON IT and arthurarsley...IT WAS NOT A TECHNICAL WIN for VCSY...The company did it with PROOF, FACTS and EXCELLENT WITNESSES! Ross wouldn't have settled if it was some made up 'Technical' win as you made up and posted today. VCSY did it the hard way, THEY EARNED THE WIN. I just don't know where the heck arthurarsley comes up with this false statement of some type of a tech win, it is NONSENSE! And, he should know better. Guess he had a fight with someone at home and needs to take it out on VCSY for some reason...guess it is better than slamming someone into a wall at home, though.

The WIN with Ross was also for the purpose of taking on a listed company (CDC - NASDAQ) and BEATING THEM...VCSY sent out a message, DON'T MESS WITH US OR WE WILL COME AFTER YOU...and, VCSY did EXACTLY that the same week as the WIN with the lawsuit AGAINST MSFT.

I could also go into the fact management of VCSY has principles and Ross/Arglen bite them in the back and Wade doesn't like that type of backstabbing and went AFTER THEM for it. This shows the type of character of management at VCSY - TOP GRADE! When Wade is stepped on, he gets a shoe shine and kicks back. NICE! The type of manager I want to run a company. I won't go into the history of Wade AGAIN but he is used to million dollar deals and working along with the rich and famous, he did that as CFO of 'Duty Free', with BILLIONAIRES he learned the 'Art of the Deal' and how to push BACK when pushed from the dark.

VCSY has HIRED more sales force to SELL the products and I won't go into the PARTNERS of VCSY who developed producs with the VCSY patent(s). The company opened an office and is working with a partner in BRAZIL, along with FIVE consultants there to SELL products, BOTH VCSY and NOW Solutions products. NICE!

And, don't forget the mention of 'ITALY' in the SEC Filing. The company (VCSY) also now has a SECURITY SUITE of products to SELL or maybe I should use a little past tense of 'SOLD'... NEW products, NEW business. I suspect partners are also using this SOFTWARE SUITE of VCSY.

If someone wants a product from VCSY, they will get a return call if no one answers a phone but I suspect the sales force makes the 'calls' and gives out a number for other businesses to call. Why worry about a message machine, better than paying someone to sit at a phone all day...it is more important to PAY SOMEONE TO SELL a product. And, VCSY was in 'SAVE' mode so they had money to run the business. Using a phone at the company, that is one weak reason to post anything about.

All in all, your post makes no sense today since we have been through ALL OF THIS before with you and others....

And, VCSY has the HOT products, along with their partners. Read some PR's and do some research and you won't be posting about the history of the company....Actually, read the 'time frame' of events I have posted repeatedly for new investors...guess you forgot you read that, too.

OK! I'll take questions, NOW! and, I will respond to the other posts that make lil sense...LATER.

RR
IMO
No time for spell checking...if it is wrong, read it anyway...it will make sense all the same. A basher is simply a BASHER!


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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 5:20 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:10 PM EDT
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He also wanted to know why history misspelled his name.
Mood:  chatty
Now Playing: 'Creamy ReconstitutedTaters' Directions: Mix with water add heat and stir like mad.
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

Yes, Virginia, somebody really did want Vertical Computer Systems to die the death (and leave the important $#!@ packed in the jump bag).

Would you not dearly want to know what kind of information VCSY came away with in the CDC/Ross Systems settlement? Wooooo boy howdy. spittoee

 

Of course, Microsoft could just BUY Vertical. Yeah. That's an original idea.

Won't Happen

(Score:2)
by Nom du Keyboard (633989) Alter Relationship on Saturday April 21, @01:50PM (#18825143)
This is being treated like it's the end of Microsoft. That their entire programming paradigm will have to change, and that they'll be paying out crippling amounts of money. I would predict at at worst it costs them $1billion, and they don't make more than the most minor changes in .NET. And that's after years of litigation. They can probably buy Vertical Computer Systems for less than this worst case, and are likely considering that as one option. I, for one, don't expect to see big changes, if any changes, ever.
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If Vista has such great scheduling and other improvements under its hood, why does it run slower than XP?

 

 

Weeeeheeeheeeeellll, this young individual did what none of the other numbnuts did... READ heh heh.

Slashdot got this wrong

(Score:1)
by teknopurge (199509) Alter Relationship on Saturday April 21, @04:11PM (#18825951)
(http://utropicmedia.net/)
I actually submitted the real story [marketwatch.com] but it has not been approved yet.

Vertical is not going after MVC or Visual Studio. Vertical's patent pertains to something much more devistating to Microsoft: the CLR. [wikipedia.org]

Vertical's patent directly covers taking arbirtrary object code and transmuting it for use on arbitrary platforms - think VB.NET, c#.NET, COBOL.NET, etc.NET...... This is/was .NET's claim-to-fame: create an interpreted platform by letting the developers write in whatever language they are comfortable in; eventually it all ends up as CLR bytecode.
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http://utropicmedia.net [utropicmedia.net]

 

READ you dumblebumps and anticipate the architecture. 'Obvious'?  Everything is obvious from your point in history looking back on the mass of invented things. DOING is what separates the dreamers from the patents. The patent describes what VCSY can DO. Not 'market'. Not 'dabble in' as it were a hobby. Not dimple and dab each and every competitor's cheek to see what would be an 'acceptable' launch or response.

This young individual got it right. Do we have a doorprize? How about a free membership to PHeaven... oh wait, that's free already... anywho congratulations for having read the patent and actually thought about what it's saying. Microsoft can patent an operating system. Apple can patent an operating system. But I don't see where either has patented and operating system that facilitates building and operating other operating systems directly as arbitrary components (anybody's with anything anywhere anyhow anywho).

Anywho, that's the shorthairs of it, my friends. Them's the shorties. The long hairs are going to REALLY hurt getting pulled one at a time.

The very fact Microsoft has not fielded these concepts all the while Microsoft anchored architects have been crying for not just interconnects but INTERCONNECTION, not just interoperable but INTEROPERATION, not just transacting but TRANSACTIONING demonstrates one simple observed oddity: Microsoft is afraid to field their whizbang stuff since 2004 and I think it's as they have already transgressed this and other patents and have done so out in the open believing someone's assertions the properties would be available at a fire sale at some point.

'Some point' didn't arrive and now it's 'some pointy' for some. 

SiteFlash is a framework for building interoperable operating systems capable of integrating into a computer operating system built on integrated operating systems. It relates to another set of properties VCSy has for building distributed operating systems and agents on web-based resources and on proprietary resources with transaction (fully deterministic as each node has a distributed agent OS optimized for transactional processes and governance with third-party audit) process that enables the building of web-based operating systems of any size and complexity.

These are basic conceptual principles of extensible hive computers of which the inventor Aubrey McAuley is a pioneer. Yes, they've been imagined before but VCSY can DO those things... THAT's when a patent becomes a reality. When the words can actually DO something.

So shut your pieholes and look around you. Point to one product Microsoft is selling that does what Vertical/NOW Solutions can obviously do with SaaS.

Try THAT with AJAX and especially do it out of the box like VCSY. There is no box for Ajax let alone things you can use out of the box. 

Granted, folks can wring a whole lot out of something like AJAX and Javascript. Here are some examples:  http://ajaxination.wordpress.com/

But would you base your business on this yet? Then, what in the world is IBM or Verizon using if they are dominating SOA and enabling SaaS far more than Microsoft is even saying they can do much less provide tools?

Font OFF! Really cool how I do that. Kind of like Johnny that flying flame in Fantastic Four... well, maybe not quite that cool, but I can change colors and SIZE and all... well... uhhhh never mind. It's tough being a superhero.

The text here is newly added to take in some ruminating I've been doing. I figgered somebody somewhere needs a nudge so here's my shove. 

What's cool about blogs is that you can go back and edit the little monstars. Things folks have already read, you do the switcheroo on them, and then, folks what read after get an entirely different view.

Hopefully in my view you can receive an entirely different view. In fact, if you read the blog backwards you can see where we're heading. We're aimed back upstream to seek out the information trail that will lead us to an enemy who's been trying to take our little shareholder owned company down. We're headed toward discovery of who instigated a campaign of bisomess abuse to take our children (our little IP niblets) down.

Want some advice? You folks who build operating systems to work on specific hardware platforms you guys go right ahead...  

What you have you can run on your desktop but don't try doing that in a distributed arbitrary framework on the internet because you will simply be working to give your hard earned money to the V. Pay now or pay later. Yeah. Like the Cram oil filter commercial.

Nothing personal, homes. Strickly bidness. Cool?

Pretty much our CEO is pissed I think.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 4:44 PM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 1:14 AM EDT
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They woke up Edger Cacey and he said he couldn't remember what he was dreaming.
Mood:  special
Now Playing: 'Mickey Finnish' A dame's night out on the town gets cut short when somebody spikes her punch. (Comedy/Thriller)
Topic: Microsoft and VCSY

When the rabbles begin rabbling, old Rasta is gonna set the burning tire blockage to light. We'll smoke the bastids out dammit.

rastamafoo's Comments on Slashdot

 

In particular, this comment heya. RESPECT MY AUTHORITIE!!!

by rastamafoo (1092581) on Tuesday April 24, @12:31PM (#18856811)
The following appears to indicate Microsoft not only knew about Vertical's development but that they shadowed that development with their own all along. Given the smallness and insignificant profile of Vertical at the time (today is a totally different story) one might assume Microsoft was simply keeping their own development alive in the sad but likely event that VCSy would not exist past 2002... say... summer of 2002. Hmmm. We wonder who might have convinced them to think that way. Or one might wonder what source inside Microsoft could offer such an assurance.

For the casual reader, consider what Microsoft was doing circa 2001 in pursuit of some sort of .Net Framework (of which they've only recently arrived at in 2007...??? where has their XML capability been before now? Hmmm? Buried in client systems no doubt. ooooo I wonder what those clients will say to Microsoft now that they may receive a cease and desist order similar to what Microsoft received February 2007 [the 6 year anniversary of VCSY introducing the XML Enabler Agent).

Do you think Mister Softy's clients will be able to excise the offending stuff out of their systems? I don't.

http://www.perfectxml.com/articles/xml/dotnet.asp [perfectxml.com]

Excerpts from end of article. More at URL.

# .NET in the short term
The final versions of the full set of .NET components (whether this concerns the development tools, or products from the .NET server family) are unlikely to be available before mid -2001, going by the most optimistic predictions.

"Old" applications built on the Microsoft DNA architecture will still function on Windows 2000 servers equipped with .NET generation tools. The two generations of applications will be able to cohabit without interference.

We therefore do not see any short-term threat for current and future DNA-based applications.

Microsoft points out that tools and assistants to help with migration will be provided with the .NET platform. However, we do not feel that this is an ideal solution, for various reasons. Firstly, migration assistants can never carry out 100% of the modifications necessary. Consequently, it would be advisable to devote sufficient time and resources to this migration. Secondly,transforming an ASP/VBScript application into ASP.NET/VB.NET will not automatically make it a.NET application. It will in all likelihood be necessary to alter the application architecture, so as to benefit fully from the new possibilities offered by .NET.

In future articles we will try to answer some of the questions that you are undoubtedly asking yourself if you have Microsoft DNA applications in production. We will try and draw an accurate schema of the optimum .NET architecture, and will show you the best way to write DNA applications which can be ported to .NET.

# .NET in the long term
Whether or not Microsoft achieves what it has set out to achieve with .NET, it cannot be denied that the way we design applications is going to undergo some changes. With the advent of e-commerce and B2B exchanges, there is already a need for interconnected applications which communicate via an enterprise network or through the Internet.

With this in mind, we can see that with .NET, Microsoft's main aim is to supply tools which can be used to develop applications as easily as Visual Basic did a few years ago, during the golden age of the client-server application.

# What's the verdict?
Pragmatically speaking, and casting aside any preconceived ideas about the Redmond vendor, a clever strategy would be to carry out sustained technology tracking of .NET and as its alternatives, together with the technologies on which all of these are based, i.e. XML and SOAP.

Until the final version of .NET appears, we will continue to keep you informed of technological and strategic developments, with further TrendMarkers articles on Microsoft's DotNet. Stay tuned!

 

 

And, in conjunction with the above masterfully stated opinings, I do dearly love little blurbs like this (Thanks to POS at the PH for finding this minor linken gershlobben.):

Applications are portable (as long as they are Microsoft applications... and Microsoft OS no doubt)
Applications compiled as intermediate code are presented as Portable Executables (PEs). Microsoft will thereby be able to offer full or partial implementations of the .NET platform over a vast range of hardware and software architectures: Intel PCs with Windows 9x, Windows NT4, Windows 2000 or future 64 bit Windows versions, microcontroller-based PDAs with PocketPC (e.g. Windows CE), and other operating systems too, no doubt. (yea. no doubt.)

All languages must comply with a common agreement (the agreement being there be absolutely no arbitrary code in the system. hmmm... I guess dotNet isn't quite as advanced as SiteFlash which is able to run on any operating system with any code and any language. What is this dotNet junk anyway? A woodent decoy duck?)
Computer languages are numerous. Traditionally, new languages have been created to respond to new needs, such as resolving scientific problems, making calculations for research, or meeting strong needs in terms of application reliability and security. The result is that existing languages are heterogeneous: some are procedural, others object-oriented, some authorize use of optional parameters or a variable number of parameters, some authorize operator overload, others do not, and so it goes on.

For a language to be eligible for the range of languages supported by the .NET platform (PING - SiteFlash architecture allows the use of ANY language), it must provide a set of possibilities and constructions listed in an agreement called the Common Language Specification, or CLS. To add a language to .NET, all that is required in theory is for it to meet the requirements of the CLS, and for someone to develop a compiler from this language into MSIL.  (Why? Because dotNet at the core does not run on a web based virtual engine beyond Java. It therefore can not do what SiteFlash or any of the other VCSY technologies do easily. VCSY even uses dotNet to do things even dotNet has not been able to accomplish. Am I baiting all you expurts out there? Of course I am! How else can we drag you limp-linguinied bs-shooters out of the bushes into the skreet? And we can hear your spurs jingle jangling as you try to sneak away so you might as well turn around and face the music. I'll call the dance, ok?)

This seems fairly innocuous at first glance, but the restrictions imposed by CLS-compliance on the different .NET languages mean that, for example, Visual Basic .NET ends up becoming a new language which retains little more than the syntax of Visual Basic 6. (Did you get that all you people pretending to be in the arbitrary coding business?)

The fact that all the .NET languages are compiled in the form of an intermediate code also means that a class written in a language may be derived in another language, and it is possible to instantiate in one language an object of a class written in another language. (Wow)

Today, if you want to create a COM+ object, you generally have the choice between VB6 and Visual C++. But VB6 does not give access to all possibilities, and for certain requirements, you are restricted to VC++. With .NET, all languages will offer the same possibilities and generally offer the same performance levels, which means you can choose between VB.NET and C# depending on your programming habits and preferences, and are no longer restricted by implementation constraints. (Wowie wow wow)

At this point, you may be wondering how this can all be possible. Magic? Not really. In our opinion, there is no magic wand being waved here. To give a more even view of the multi-language aspect of .NET, we would prefer to say that .NET only supports one language, MSIL. Although Microsoft does let you choose whether to write this MSIL code using Visual Basic syntax, or C++ syntax, or Eiffel… (OH YEAH EIFFEL... Hey treeforters... remember the orange and white eiffel tower in the IBM commercial? heh heh heh)

To put it frankly, in order to be able to provide the same services from languages as remote as Cobol or C#, you have to make sure these languages have a common denominator which complies with the demands of .NET. This means that the .NET version of Cobol has had to receive so many new concepts and additions that it has practically nothing left in common with the original Cobol. This applies just as much to the other languages offered in .NET, such as C++, VB, Perl or Smalltalk. (And you business IT guys are dedicating the future guts of your systems to THIS sort of wordplay? Oh yeah we can do that... mumble mumble mumble moo)

So what we need to understand is that when Microsoft announces the availability of 27 languages, we should interpret that as meaning there are 27 different syntaxes. (Damn.  So we have to learn all that to work with dotNet? That's some learning curve boss.)

The most symptomatic example concerns Java. It is one of the intended .NET languages, thanks to Rational, who are currently working on a Java to MSIL compiler. But what kind of Java are we talking about? It is a Java which runs as MSIL code, not byte-code. This Java does not benefit from the traditional APIs offered by the J2EE platform, such as JMS, RMI, JDBC, JSP. This is a Java in which EJBs are replaced by .NET's distributed object model. The label says Java, the syntax says Java… but Java it ain't! (and 'arbitrary' it all ain't)

Of course, the case of Java is a bit of an exception. Indeed, Java specialists see .NET overall as a rather pale copy of Java itself, and consider it to be proof of Microsoft's successive attempts to undermine Java's future. Relations between Sun and Microsoft have been peppered with disputes and lawsuits in recent years. It was out of the question that Microsoft would participate in the construction of Java by offering total support for the language in its new .NET platform. (Oh my goodness Sun... I had forgotten about Sun since Tim Bray called SOA 'vendor bull***' back when they were working with Microsoft on SOA and services. I wonder where Sun is working with SOA/SaaS now?)

From our perspective, the support for Java in .NET is, as it stands, totally unusable if one intends to maintain a degree of compatibility with Sun's J2EE platform.    (Whose perspective?) We believe that its only justification is that it reinforces Microsoft's campaign to seduce developers. Microsoft's strategy is to win over developers in order to benefit from their prescriptive powers, with the aim of eventually imposing .NET on a wide scale. (Wasn't that Bill's plan from the beginningk? Vas ist loss? Der schpiegelshprechen vas inmittzvissing der sprockenvarren unt der larrygehaben? Acht meinen fartzenchaffen!)

Similarly, Microsoft is cleverly entertaining certain rumors, such as the recurring whispers predicting the eventual availability of .NET on Unix systems, even Linux. Linux is increasingly popular among developers, and is becoming a potential alternative to Windows NT as far as server architectures are concerned. By keeping details hazy around the issue of Linux support for .NET, Microsoft can win over fans of the free operating system.
(Or you can always pay them to let you play.)

 

I gotta say you Microsoft people are about as soft-spined and amoral as an urchin. It it weren't for all your big spikes you would be a fleshy mussel nestled in some cocktail sauce. As it is, you're going to get baked out in the hot Sun glare while the seagulls peck you to doom and gloom. Damn what a turrble way to go... spittoee


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:32 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 2:03 PM EDT
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So how long has this been sitting in your desk drawer?
Mood:  caffeinated
Now Playing: 'Rounding the Corners' Developer pressed for time bulldozes indian burial grounds and is cursed. (true life stories)
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

Heh heh heh... And isn't this a cute little trinket? I think we'll keep this one on record in case we need to refer back to what Microsoft was saying way back when as .Net seemed new and marvelous. Now, we see it was new and copied.

'perfectXML' heh heh perfectXML ... is that supposed to be like 'pureXML'.

Hmmm. copyright 2004. I wonder who's bright idea this was:

 

http://www.perfectxml.com/articles/xml/dotnet.asp

Excerpts from end of article. More at URL. 

  • .NET in the short term
    The final versions of the full set of .NET components (whether this concerns the development tools, or products from the .NET server family) are unlikely to be available before mid -2001, going by the most optimistic predictions.

    "Old" applications built on the Microsoft DNA architecture will still function on Windows 2000 servers equipped with .NET generation tools. The two generations of applications will be able to cohabit without interference.

    We therefore do not see any short-term threat for current and future DNA-based applications.

    Microsoft points out that tools and assistants to help with migration will be provided with the .NET platform. However, we do not feel that this is an ideal solution, for various reasons. Firstly, migration assistants can never carry out 100% of the modifications necessary. Consequently, it would be advisable to devote sufficient time and resources to this migration. Secondly,transforming an ASP/VBScript application into ASP.NET/VB.NET will not automatically make it a.NET application. It will in all likelihood be necessary to alter the application architecture, so as to benefit fully from the new possibilities offered by .NET.

    In future articles we will try to answer some of the questions that you are undoubtedly asking yourself if you have Microsoft DNA applications in production. We will try and draw an accurate schema of the optimum .NET architecture, and will show you the best way to write DNA applications which can be ported to .NET.


  • .NET in the long term
    Whether or not Microsoft achieves what it has set out to achieve with .NET, it cannot be denied that the way we design applications is going to undergo some changes. With the advent of e-commerce and B2B exchanges, there is already a need for interconnected applications which communicate via an enterprise network or through the Internet.

    With this in mind, we can see that with .NET, Microsoft's main aim is to supply tools which can be used to develop applications as easily as Visual Basic did a few years ago, during the golden age of the client-server application.


  • What's the verdict?
    Pragmatically speaking, and casting aside any preconceived ideas about the Redmond vendor, a clever strategy would be to carry out sustained technology tracking of .NET and as its alternatives, together with the technologies on which all of these are based, i.e. XML and SOAP.

    Until the final version of .NET appears, we will continue to keep you informed of technological and strategic developments, with further TrendMarkers articles on Microsoft's DotNet. Stay tuned!


  • Find out more
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    External link  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/
    External link  http://www.dotnettoday.com
    External link  http://www.dotnetwire.com
    External link  http://www.gotdotnet.com (Microsoft's site)

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    Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:37 AM EDT
    Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:38 AM EDT
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    I seen one of them before and you can't get nothing out of it.
    Mood:  lazy
    Now Playing: 'The Way Things Are Seen' Exploration requires more than eyeballs and fingers.
    Topic: VCSY / Baseline

    Just a note to remind everyone how the rest of the world sees VCSY as a result of their having to work under cover and in stealth mode for years. The commentor assumes he has it all figured out based on a quick look at the company. Those of you who have been studying this company for long realize just how erroneous and blind the commentor is being but he's only reacting to what his senses and his thinking tell him. This is where the effectiveness of stealth lies; in being able to tailor your camouflage to fit your need. It's what made all the experts discount the technology and believe it would be easily dealt with when the time came.

    Time has come today. 

    Re:How long until...

    (Score:5, Informative)
    by john.r.strohm (586791) on Saturday April 21, @08:34AM (#18822983)
    They may be praying that Microsoft will buy them. They appear to be in the process of imploding.

    Their last 10-K contained a couple of zingers.

    "As of the date of the filing of this Report, the Company does not have sufficient funds available to fund its operations, invest in additional resources for growth and repay its debt obligations. Therefore, the Company needs to raise additional funds through selling securities, obtaining loans or increase sales. The Company's inability to raise such funds or renegotiate the terms of its existing debt will significantly jeopardize its ability to continue operations."

    "The Company has incurred significant losses from operations for the year ended December 31, 2006. In addition, the Company had a working capital deficit of approximately $10.3 million at December 31, 2006. The foregoing raises substantial doubt about the Company's ability to continue as a going concern. Management's plans include seeking additional capital and/or debt financing. There is no guarantee that additional capital and/or debt financing will be available when and to the extent required, or that if available, it will be on terms acceptable to the Company. The accompanying financial statements do not include any adjustments that might result from the outcome of this uncertainty. Our auditors have included a going-concern paragraph to their audit report."

    The entire 10-K makes for interesting reading.

    See http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFra meset.aspx?FilingID=5107317&Type=HTML [edgar-online.com] for more information.

     

    But then you must take into consideration the mindset of some working in the software development industry. See no IP, Hear no IP, Speak no IP.

    Pretty sad state of affairs when somebody comes up with an original idea years before others and the ones with the big software houses think it belongs to them because they should be free to create what they want.

    The fact that Microsoft itself tried very hard to stop the SiteFlash patent before it was granted. Now, they want to outrun the common decency. Better start now because IBM and Vertical have a five year head start. Losers. 

     

    Re:Patents: From bad to worse.

    (Score:5, Interesting)
    by gujo-odori (473191) on Saturday April 21, @06:09AM (#18822405)
    I'm a former employee of a certain large software company related to TFA, and interestingly, one thing they tell you when you go to work there (and I suspect other large companies that file lots of patents also do this) is that you should not - never, ever, ever - do any research into patents to try and find out if something you're developing or have developed and may be filing a patent application on might infringe any existing patents.

    The reason for this is that if you do, infringement becomes easier to prove for anyone who does happen to sue you, because they can point at you and say "See, these programmers did patent research in this area, then produced a product and/or filed a patent on stuff that does what my stuff does" and if they win, then they will do better in the damages phase because they can present evidence showing willful infringement.

    The bottom line was, leave any patent research, including the decision of whether or not to do it, up to the legal department. Don't get anywhere near it yourself.

     

    I think this strategy might work on something small but .Net Framework and WinFS is a pretty big dog to hide under the table at some tea party, non? 

    All you folks who wonder why no discussion all this time about what VCSY has... all you folks who can't figure out why this comes up all of a sudden... have you finally figured it out? Hmmmm? 

    So NOW you wonder why all these technology 'expurts' can't seem to grasp what VCSY has done? They've been conditioned by industry practice and their employers to laugh off and disregard the property of others who came before.

    That's ok. .Net Framework ('perfectXML' with such a lame imitative word play on 'pureXML' http://www.perfectxml.com/articles/xml/dotnet.asp [such a joke] and Mono and any other arbitrary framework creator have a long history in front of them and the courts do allow discovery when things look so similar. This mass of critters crying out on slashdot are providing an easy roadmap to begin that sort of discovery because the chickens who laid the biggest eggs will always cluck the loudest when you go to collect those eggs... and rightfully so because the chicken does all the work and the family with the rightful owndership of the egg producing system eats the produce. pluck pluck

    And you KNOW I had to get involved in the slashdot conversation since we VCSY longs need to interface with our technology colleagues who are apparently so overworked and stressed they don't have the time or the energy or the ethics to find out if somebody else has already patented what said population wants to use to make a fortune.

    That's a shame.

    by rastamafoo (1092581) on Tuesday April 24, @10:58AM (#18855269)
    If folks would bother to do a little research they could avoid this kind of calamity. If Vertical Computers wins against Microsoft and any other development base their lawyers go after, it will be because Microsoft managers and developers used precisely this idea of 'if I don't see it elsewhere, it never existed'. Well, that's a convenient approach if you are confident you have something nobody else has done or has worked out... but... Vertical introduced their technology in Feb 2001. They produced a product called XML Enabler Agent IBM retired their XML Enabler in 2001 and introduced VCSY as among the top innovators in the US. Microsoft introduced Hailstorm in Mar 2001. It was a flop. IBM and Vertical XML disappeared from the scene shortly thereafter. Microsoft continued their rant on 'owning XML' due to some patents they touted. We don't hear word of those Microsoft patents any more do we? Do you want to know why? Because, when the SiteFlash patent was granted in November 2004 (right around the time Ballmer threw the chair at Lucovsky and drove XMLhttpRequest/Ajax into the arms of Google). Do you remember the Microsoft shut down public demonstration of all but the most simple XML projects back then? Why? Did they know? If they did not know about Vertical, their legal teams and managers are incompetent. Now the question lays 'Were they incompetent or did they have criminal intent?' Folks should get used to hearing about Vertical, SiteFlash, the XML Enabler Agent, Emily, WebOS, extensible micro-kernel operating systems and the works because the brain trust under Vertical's wing is skilled in this art because THEY are among those who have DONE the prior art... and YOU read about it in a book or scratch it out on the back of a paper bag and call it 'MINE'. It's not yours. You only borrowed it for a time. Vertical wants it back and any of the money you made on it because you failed to look up similar art (the patent application dates to 1999 - how many of you 'developers' were out of high school then?) because your managers told you not to. HA HA HA This is too funny. 'Honest judge. We didn't know!' 'Then what's that Dr. Dobbs magazine sticking out of your pocket? heh heh ... BANG. GUILTY.'

     


    Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:05 AM EDT
    Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:08 AM EDT
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    Monday, 23 April 2007
    So I says to the guy in the elevator 'Wanna see me stand on my hands?' and that's why my socks are stretched out.
    Mood:  don't ask
    Now Playing: 'Nuglets for Norman' Organs from executed criminal are transplanted into spineless executive. (science fiction/fantasy)
    Topic: SaaS
    Interesting article. What keeps Salesforce out of the VCSY patent sights?

    The Enterprise System Spectator


    Monday, April 23, 2007

    Salesforce.com unbundling its platform from its apps

    Over the past few years, salesforce.com has been gradually morphing itself from an on-demand CRM vendor to a platform for software-as-a-service (SaaS) generally. It started by first allowing extensive customer-specific customization of its CRM applications and integration with legacy or third-party systems. Then it provided a complete development environment, including test capabilities separate from production. Then it opened up its SaaS platform to third-party developers to write complementary applications. This week it announced the next logical step: it is allowing customers to buy access to its platform without buying its CRM application.

    Salesforce.com Platform Edition allows customers to take advantage of other applications in its AppExchange marketplace, or, it allows customers to start from scratch and write their own custom applications. Details on Platform Edition are on the salesforce.com website.

    The evolution of salesforce.com further enhances software-as-a-service as a viable alternative to traditional on-premise software. The only drawback to this approach I see is that it ties the entire IT infrastructure of the customer to salesforce.com. If you think vendor lock-in is a problem today with traditional vendors, such as Microsoft, Oracle, and SAP, imagine what it will be like when your entire technology stack--from hardware, OS, database, and application--is tied to a single provider.

    I'm a big fan of SaaS, but I still haven't figured out how to get around the vendor lock-in problem.

    Related posts
    IT services in a SaaS world
    Salesforce.com to allow customization of its hosted service
    Salesforce.com's AppExchange proving its viability for developers
    Computer Economics: The Business Case for Software as a Service
    by Frank Scavo, 4/23/2007 07:36:00 AM

    Posted by Portuno Diamo at 3:10 PM EDT
    Updated: Monday, 23 April 2007 3:10 PM EDT
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    The big problem with getting up here is you can't get down the way you came.
    Mood:  accident prone
    Now Playing: 'Contact Tort' Base jumping lawyers test the limits of their endurance in high altitude conclusion jumping. (travel, sport)
    Topic: Microsoft and VCSY

    click

    ...did you bring your BASE rig? I got mine. I guess you'll have to do it the way the hotcha wangy prove their bravery. They wrap this... that's right, it's a giant poison ivy vine... they wrap this around their feet and jump backwards off the ledge hugging the bungees. If they went off head first, they say is too dangerous to the tribes overall IQ. Some reported cases the poor chap would bounce back up to the summit minus a brain. Just popped right out from the g force. Well they were totally useless to the tribe so they hauled up food for them... there's a small village over on the other summit... where they keep the place clean and they become the ceremonial priesthood. That way the village below keeps a high IQ average and their contacts with the gods are an a different level altogether when they come up here to consult with their wisdom and then jump off the ledge.

    Me? No thanks. I prefer science to mooka jambo. I would rather do a zero-p canopy with kevlar strings and nine cells over seven for my tender foots and all than rely on the rituals of my ancestors, thanks.

    What makes them do it? Well, the poison ivy is sacred to them. 'mooka maka nunka nook' or 'he who anger clawed meat god'. We know it as the common 'notched nuglet's syndrom (nns)' also known in more severe cases as 'Scrot's Terror' or 'litiginitius pullimus inflamus maxidermus' also known as 'miner's dangle'.

    The relatives would put a big tub of calamine lotion at the bottom of this tall cliff and the young and old hotcha wangy warriors would step backwards off of the ancient jumping ledge called wanga pangy. 

    Plus the promise of pro-active and soon relief from the results of the vine bathed in calamine made jumping a more tantalizing idea than standing here at the summit of plenta pangy rock during the hottest part of the day. Makes me itch just thinking about it.

    A perfectly executed jump would have the participant entering the vat to submergience as the vine would then jerk the jumper back up into the air whereby the air would blow dry the calamine and the jumper was ready for a second dip and so on until the calamine provides a thick covering to prevent injury by scratching. An infection in the jungle can be deadly, my friend. Mind the cuts. And say 'excuse me' when they happen.

    But some of them forget the last rule and that's hang on until the bounding stops. Many fling their arms out wide as if to bathe in the calamine relief and they end up smacking their heads on the bottom of the pot. Post that, they can't figure out how to climb to the top of plenta pangy to join their wanga pangy priesthood, so they end up working in the bars as clerks.

    Those poor bastids what miss the vat and have too much vine? Ouch. Aside from the obvious lack of relief from the calamine they usually have so much loose skin to scratch they often disappear after three or four days...

    click 

    Darlene... go ask momma why don't daddy have loose skin from falling out of that pine tree. Get yer finger out of there dammit...

    click 

    Well now. spittooee This here specimen below is a tell if ever a tell was told. Looks like the great big grizzly of the northwest is turned into a moose with dotted lines all over. You don't get to see many of these especially one so big when the mating ritual doesn't go his way.

     

    DoubleClick Turned Down Microsoft's Higher Bid

    The irony of Microsoft crying antitrust in the Google/Double Click is starting to make more sense: it may be sour grapes, and a regulatory approach may free up the company for themselves – if thwarted love can be reconciled through more proper marriages.

    That's a somewhat cynical sum-up, certainly oversimplified, and maybe even a little unfair (there, I've said it so you don't have to) – sometimes it's just business. But the whole thing becomes really interesting when you learn Microsoft offered more for DoubleClick than Google did, and still got turned down.

    DoubleClick put its eggs in Google's basket, instead of Microsoft's, for less money – as if business relationships have evolved into star-crossed, money-can't-buy-love affairs. But we all know that's bull, right?

    John Battelle, who broke that news, rightly questions the reasons behind it:

    The more I think about it, the more the fact that DBCLK went to Google strikes me as a seminal moment in the history of this industry. Microsoft could not win it, despite the cash it was willing to spend. Why?!

    According to that lengthy blog post, Battelle will have to think on it a bit and make some  more contacts to make sense of the for-love-or-money outcome (like in most things, why-is isn't nearly as important as what-is – but that's a whole other discussion).

    Former Microsoftie Robert Scoble has some suggestions about why a company would turn down a larger offer, including company reputation, employee benefits, better long-term options, more influence, location (at which point we get into a host of arbitrary justifications). But the most interesting one was Robert's first suggestion:

    Better cultural fit. I’ve seen that some employees are real jerks during negotiations and can sour a suitor on that person’s company.

    At the end of March, back when this deal was a just a gleam in Microsoft's eye, when there rumors were circling via the PR machine about Microsoft's affection for DoubleClick (and DoubleClick's high brideprice), Google didn't even appear to be in the courtship picture.

    Briefly-put, DoubleClick wanted $2 billion, and Microsoft seemed to do a spit-take at the suggestion. Don Dodge, Director of Business Development for Microsoft's Emerging Business Team, blogged rather convincingly about billion-dollar gambles, and devalued the DoubleClick to about $600 million – a fifth of the final price.

    And then, two weeks later, we learn Microsoft offered more than Google, and lost? Something happened. Microsoft had a change of heart or executives were blowing smoke during negotiations to keep the price down. Or maybe Google was a dark horse competitor, swooping in to take the maiden. And now Microsoft's double-pissed off.

    Last week, David Utter noted the odd timing to Microsoft's and AT&T's antitrust complaints, arising just 48 hours after the news broke. Google's acquisition of DoubleClick is a market-cornering move – a market Microsoft and AT&T would rather have cornered for themselves.

    The quick antitrust filing could mean that as soon as Microsoft realized they'd lost that market, they began preparing for the fight to get it back.

     


    Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:43 PM EDT
    Updated: Monday, 23 April 2007 2:52 PM EDT
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    Mood:  party time!

    Uh Ohhhhhh. New IBM Commercials. Uh Ohhhhhh.

     

    And I forgot to mention the IBM Shareholder meeting will be held tomorrow, Tuesday April 24, 2007 in Knoxville, Tennessee.

     Isn't that where the big pile of gold is?


    Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:18 AM EDT
    Updated: Monday, 23 April 2007 11:20 AM EDT
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