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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Friday, 6 April 2007
Worth the bandwidth and the read
Mood:  vegas lucky
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY

This appeal answered by the New York Supreme court says it all. 

http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=180977 

By: RapidRobert2 06 Apr 2007, 01:08 PM EDT

Msg. 180977 of 180981
(This msg. is a reply to 180974 by bart2e.)

 

bartz: I don't know but it was from a few posts tossed, per RB staff. I don't know which ones since I didn't receive a notice of a violation of the terms of service for RB.

I haven't been in the court room but I have been blessed with reports from inside the court for the pieces and bits to put alot of things together. And, I have read EVERY document produced in the case and available for understanding what the case was about. Another great source of information and explanation of the case, along with understanding why Ross might not appeal when they lose is the appellate decision reversing the order of Judge Lowe. It is obvious from reading the appellate order that they dislike the case of Ross and LIKE VCSY. That is why they reversed Judge Lowe and reinstated claims of cause by VCSY.

I think Ross will have second thoughts about an appeal of a loss since they should know the risk of losing the appeal is HIGH and the lawyers fees keep adding up which they have to pay, along with the interest accruing for VCSY. Ross just might decide to pay and not even go for an appeal when they lose it in the court by a jury. Also, remember that the results of this case will have an effect on the most recent lawsuit filed by NOW Solutions in February for 4.1 Million bucks from Ross for 'breach of contract'. Ross has not responded to that lawsuit as yet and their response is due or they risk defaulting and having to pay it. Maybe they are waiting to see if they have a chance of winning anything next week in the current case with the jury.

Anyway, if you haven't read it, read the appellate decision it is informative and explains the case nicely:

Vertical Computer Sys., Inc. v Ross Sys., Inc.
2004 NYSlipOp 07623
October 26, 2004
Published by New York State Law Reporting Bureau pursuant to Judiciary Law § 431.
Appellate Division, First Department
As corrected through Wednesday, December 15, 2004


Vertical Computer Systems, Inc., a Member of NOW Solutions, LLC, in Its Own Right and in the Right of NOW Solutions, LLC, Appellant,
v
Ross Systems, Inc., Respondent, et al., Defendants.

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Order, Supreme Court, New York County (Richard B. Lowe, III, J.), entered November 24, 2003, which, to the extent appealed from as limited by the brief, granted defendant Ross Systems, Inc.'s motion to dismiss the second, fifth, sixth and seventh causes of action of the amended complaint, unanimously reversed, on the law, with costs and disbursements, the motion denied and the said causes of action reinstated.

In the amended complaint at issue, plaintiff Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. asserts direct claims on its own behalf and derivative claims on behalf of NOW Solutions, LLC against, among others, Ross Systems, Inc. arising out of the 2001 sale by Ross of its Human Resource-Payroll Unit Division (HR-Payroll Unit) to NOW. At all times relevant, HR-Payroll Unit's business was assembling software components into custom designed packages and providing the continuing maintenance that these packages required. There are three nonappealing defendants, Arglen Acquisitions, LLC, a member of NOW, Gary Gyselen, a principal of Arglen and NOW's chairman, and J. Patrick Tinley, president and CEO of Ross.

In 2000, Ross entered into negotiations to sell its HR-Payroll Unit to Arglen, pursuant to which Ross and Arglen entered into a letter agreement dated November 1, 2000 whereby Arglen would act as a "nonexclusive financial advisor" to Ross in connection with the sale of the HR-Payroll Unit to an investment group formed by Arglen for which, as compensation, Arglen would receive the amount by which the purchase price exceeded $5.5 million, but not more than $600,000. The payment of such compensation was contingent upon the closing of the sale by March 1, 2001. Ross also promised Arglen options in Ross common stock to be earned at the closing of the sale. Gyselen thereafter arranged for financing for the proposed transaction from Coast Business Credit, a then-current lender to Ross. The loan proposed, however, required Gyselen to find another participant to provide additional working capital and security for the Coast loan. This led Arglen and Gyselen to form NOW with, initially, one member, Arglen, through which the HR-Payroll Unit would be acquired. By the time of the February 28, 2001 closing, Vertical and Arglen had agreed that Vertical would contribute $1 million in cash as [*2]working capital, guarantee the Coast Business Credit loan and pledge an additional $1.5 million as cash collateral for that loan for which Vertical was to receive 60% of the membership interest in NOW. Arglen and NOW management would split the balance, 35% to Arglen and 5% to management. Meanwhile, in early February 2001, NOW and Arglen, its only member, entered into an agreement requiring NOW to pay all of Arglen's expenses in the HR-Payroll transaction and a finder's fee of $150,000 or 3.5% of the total transactional financing provided to NOW. Arglen failed to disclose either the February 2001 or the November 2000 letter agreement to NOW's postclosing management.

At the February 28, 2001 closing, Gyselen as chairman of NOW and defendant Tinley as chief executive officer of Ross signed the asset purchase agreement (APA) for a purchase price of $6.1 million, subject to a number of adjustments. $5.1 million was paid in cash from the Coast Business Credit loan and a $1 million purchase-money note, payable $250,000 on February 28, 2002 and the balance one year later, on February 28, 2003, given for the remainder. The most significant adjustment, contained in section 2.4 (iii) of the APA, involved fees for maintenance contract renewals continuing in effect after the closing. Ultimately, the balance due for this adjustment was determined to be in excess of $3.5 million, none of which was credited to NOW. The February 28, 2002 note payment was set off against certain adjustments due NOW under the APA. By February 28, 2003, when the final payment under the note was due, the balance of the purchase price adjustments for prepaid maintenance fees remained outstanding and NOW's management and Vertical had discovered the hidden fee arrangements benefitting Arglen and Gyselen. As a result, no payment was made.

In early 2003, as a result of Ross's failure to implement the adjustments due under the APA, a majority of NOW's executive committee favored the commencement of an action against Ross to collect these amounts. Since the NOW operating agreement required a supermajority of 75% of the members to consent to litigation, the issue was presented to a special meeting of members on February 27, 2003. Gyselen, acting for Arglen, which controlled over 30% of the membership interest, demanding veto power over the choice of counsel and a detailed preparation of claims, refused to authorize the litigation. Consequently, Vertical commenced this action, asserting seven causes of action against Ross, and additional causes of action against Tinley, Arglen and Gyselen. Only the first seven causes of action are the subject of this appeal.

The first, third and fourth causes of action seek damages for Ross's failure to disclose two side agreements between Arglen and Ross on theories of breach of a covenant to disclose, breach of warranty that all material facts had been disclosed and fraud. The second cause of action was based on Ross's alleged failure to credit NOW with closing adjustments equal to at least $3.5 million for maintenance contract fees received preclosing relating to contracts extending beyond the closing date. The fifth, sixth and seventh alleged that, based on the alleged breaches and fraud, NOW was entitled to a right of setoff against the promissory note in the amount of $750,000, indemnification and attorneys' fees.

Defendants moved to dismiss the complaint pursuant to CPLR 3211.[FN*] Supreme Court granted the motions. The court's decision on Ross's motion, the only issue on appeal, had two aspects. First, it held that the first four causes of action against Ross had "one factual allegation at their heart": that Ross failed to disclose to NOW prior to or at closing the November 2000 and [*3]February 2001 letter agreements. The court then concluded that none of the first four claims stated a cause of action because all of the complained-of acts occurred prior to Vertical's investment in NOW; at all times Gyselen was the chief executive officer of NOW; Gyselen knew of each of these side deals and, therefore, NOW was aware of all the matters that Ross is charged with failing to disclose. Supreme Court dismissed the fifth, sixth and seventh causes of action against Ross, stating that they "presume a corporate injury and seek damages therefor under various theories," and because "the complaint cannot state a viable claim for an injury by Ross, these claims against it too must be dismissed." Since Supreme Court's analysis was faulty, we reverse.

The dismissal of the three causes of action (first, third and fourth) based on NOW's ignorance of the side agreements—the November 2000 letter agreement and the Arglen option in Ross common stock, the knowledge of which the motion court imputed to NOW—is irrelevant to the viability of the second cause of action. Thus, Supreme Court erred when it dismissed, on the same ground, the second cause of action for breach of a contract requirement in the APA between NOW and Ross that Ross make certain adjustments that would reduce the purchase price of the HR-Payroll Unit. This cause of action does not depend, in any way, on a failure to disclose and is completely unrelated to the side agreements relating to compensation, as finders, for Arglen and Gyselen. This adjustment, for payments received by Ross preclosing for maintenance contracts that required services postclosing, did not depend in any way on the side agreements, which contain no reference to the maintenance fees, or NOW's knowledge of them. Indeed, the second cause of action would stand even if every reference to the side agreements and to Arglen and Gyselen was eliminated from the amended complaint. Thus, the court's dismissal of the second cause of action cannot be rationalized with the allegations in the amended complaint. Since the fifth, sixth and seventh causes sought collateral relief under the APA for offset for damages caused by Ross's breach in failing to give NOW, as alleged, $3,562.201.22 in adjustment credit, indemnity for the same and attorneys' fees, these causes of action should be reinstated. Contrary to Supreme Court's view, the second cause of action does state a corporate injury and the three related causes of action are viable.

As an alternative argument to sustain the dismissal of the first seven causes of action, Ross challenges Vertical's standing to bring a derivative action on behalf of NOW, first noting the requirement that a supermajority of 75% of its members authorize the commencement of litigation. However, Delaware law, which controls here, provides that a member of a limited liability company may bring an action in the right of such company if "members with authority to do so have refused to bring the action or if an effort to cause those . . . members to bring the action is not likely to succeed." (Del Code Ann, tit 6, § 18-1001.) Thus, the supermajority provision is not an obstacle to this action. The operating agreement's supermajority provision gives Arglen with its 35% interest no more veto power over a derivative action for the benefit of NOW than a holder of a 50% interest in a Delaware limited liability company without a supermajority provision would have to preclude a derivative action for the benefit of such a company. Furthermore, Delaware Code Annotated, title 6, § 18-1003's requirement that "[i]n a derivative action, the complaint shall set forth with particularity the effort, if any, of the plaintiff to secure initiation of the action by a manager or member or the reasons for not making the effort" has been met. In its amended complaint, Vertical detailed the impropriety of Gyselen's refusal to give consent and the futility of any further demands.

On a procedural note, Ross argues that this appeal should be dismissed as defective and [*4]untimely. In appealing the dismissal of the first eight causes of action, Vertical annexed to its notice of appeal, which was served and filed in a timely manner, the order entered on Arglen and Gyselen's motion (sequence number 001) to dismiss the complaint, the ninth through seventeenth causes of action of which were against them, one of the three short form orders entered. These orders were nearly identical except for the motion sequence number, and all three referenced the single memorandum decision granting the three motions. The short form order on Ross's motion contained motion sequence number 002 and the statement, "Motion is decided in accordance with the memorandum decision issued in motion sequence [number] 001 o[f] this action." Vertical's notice of appeal stated that it was appealing from the subject order annexed as an exhibit "to the extent that said order dismissed the first through eighth causes of action." Also annexed was the memorandum decision addressing all three motions directed to the amended complaint.

Ross's objection to the timeliness and validity of the notice of appeal is based solely on the attachment of the short form order on motion sequence number 001, rather than the short form order on motion sequence number 002. After filing its record and brief and in response to Ross's objection in a "Counter Pre-argument Statement," Vertical filed an amended notice of appeal, dropping its reference to the eighth cause of action and including as an exhibit the order on motion sequence number 002 with attached memorandum decision. Vested with ample discretion to treat the notice of appeal as valid (see CPLR 5520 [c]), we deem the notice of appeal amended in the form of the amended notice (see e.g. Becker v Wells, 297 NY 275 [1948]; Hopkins v Tinghino, 248 AD2d 794 [1998]). Ross could not have been misled by the "inaccurate description" (CPLR 5520 [c]) of the appealed from order and was in no way prejudiced. Concur—Saxe, J.P., Sullivan, Williams, Friedman and Marlow, JJ.

Footnotes


Footnote *: Ross and Tinley moved separately. Gyselen and Arglen proceeded jointly.



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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:43 PM EDT
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When you're right, you're right.
Mood:  special
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY

I love it when things become clear. It's like watching a glass of stirred up mud precipitate out until there's only left an obvious smear of mud at the bottom of all that clarity. I wonder who spooned ditch bottom doo into the baby's koolaid?

http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=180976 

By: Sliver_Fox

06 Apr 2007, 01:03 PM EDT

 Msg. 180976 of 180978
(This msg. is a reply to 180975 by RapidRobert2.)

Thanks RR, we are on the same page.

Just wanted to hear reaction.

Poor bloke just had a problem and knew how to get a fix. He (or she) probably did not understand the ramifications of the action. Lucky that someone at Now Solutions caught it. Could have easily fixed the problem . . . just trying to be helpful.

Now the kitty is out of her cage. And she is roaring like a lion. Suspect sharp claws. JMHO.

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Buy; LT Rating- Buy)


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:45 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 1:11 PM EDT
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Termites in yer wooden leg.
Mood:  caffeinated
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY

 It isn't enough to try to drive somebody to the ground. You have to live off their juices, too. That's the way it is in the bug eats bug world of  'in the grass' operation. It will be nice to finally get a chance to get on the hamburger under the picnic table.

http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=180964 

By: RapidRobert2

06 Apr 2007, 11:11 AM E

Msg. 180964 of 180969
(This msg. is a reply to 180957 by Sliver_Fox.) 

Sliver: It isn't about VCSY technology, it is about 'emPath' of NOW Solutions. The 'Asset Purchase Agreement' was very clear on returning ALL software held by Ross Systems to NOW Solutions and retaining NO part of 'emPath' for their own use or resale. A non-complete agreement was also in place. This isn't a question of a 'verbal' agreement.

The big money is from Ross keeping the maintenance fees they collected a year (plus) in advance and keeping it while NOW Solutions serviced the contracts. It has been represented that Ross gave huge discounts to get clients to pay in advance so they could keep the money. NOW Solutions and VCSY didn't know Ross was keeping the money and not adjusting the purchase price as they made collections or turning the money over to NOW Solutions. Also, Ross was suppose to give NOW Solutions support for the first year with free office space, supplies, etc., but after the year ended, NOW Solutions got a bill for the lease of over $11,000 that Ross didn't even pay up front, as the Asset Purchase Agreement detailed. A lot going on and I think VCSY proved their case against Ross. Even more money if awards for 'punishment' against Ross is awarded by the jury.

Therefore, when Ross retained the software and the CEO, Tinley, admitted under oath that Ross was using the software after the terms of returning it...that is a breach of the contract and IF Ross gave it to CDC for even more use...then many things kick in. We know CDC has an HR subsidiary and if VCSY can prove they are using 'emPath', the money just increased for damages.

Oh! Tinley admitted in his deposition that Ross was using the 'emPath' software in 2005...he later changed that to not having the correct date in his mind when he was questioned. And, the reason he gave for telling NOW Solutions in 2005 (the APA was done in February 2001) that Ross was still using 'emPath'....Well, it seems the software needed a 'fix' and he even asked NOW Solutions for tech help to fix it so they could continue to use it. Now, that is funny! He admitted Ross was using it in violation of the terms of the APA. I don't know what he said on the stand to the jury to cover this huge gap of admission.

Oh! And neither VCSY nor NOW Solutions were made available or had knowledge of a separate agreement that 'Arglen' and CEO, Gary Geyselen, had with Ross and was going to get an extra $600,000 for selling NOW Solutions after they bought it from Ross to VCSY...that was found out in discovery. And, if Webster, the CFO at Ross at the time, got a piece of that, more evidence of fraud by insiders.

The 'Tilt' is obviously for VCSY but we know anything can happen in a court but I still think VCSY will win and GET THE BUCKS!

Also, we will have the filing of the 10KSB next week, too. Then, we have news coming and also the announcement of the 'Investor Relations' firm that will represent VCSY...Much coming up quickly after the trial and 'STEALTH' will be HISTORY, I hear.

Have a Great Day!
RR
IMO
Ps: It ALL makes sense now. The info I had was a lil incorrect about the jury instructions. The instructions to the jury will happen next Wednesday or Thursday.

.

Later,
RR
IMO�
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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:29 PM EDT
Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007 2:56 PM EDT
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Ruminating with RR
Mood:  cool
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY

http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=180975 

By: RapidRobert2
06 Apr 2007, 12:50 PM EDT

Msg. 180975 of 180977
(This msg. is a reply to 180973 by Sliver_Fox.)

sliver: "Mens Rea" wouldn't apply since the intent was to cover up having the software by Ross. It was a lapse of memory of one employee to ask for 'help' from NOW Solutions for a tech fix of the software. It wasn't just a 'state' of mind to use it and forgot it was against several agreements between Ross and VCSY/NOW Solutions. It was plainly a breach of contract to continue using the 'emPath' software by Ross and perhaps other things with the software.

They are responsible for the cover up and not returning the software to NOW Solutions within the time frame of the Asset Purchase Agreement, as written and understood by both parties with signatures.

So, if Ross was using the software, did they give it to CDC for more use and in violation of the non-compete agreement. The non-compete agreement also makes 'Mens Rea' a moot issue and not applicable in the case.

Next week is going to be the most interesting we have seen at VCSY!

RR
IMO�
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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:27 PM EDT
Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007 2:57 PM EDT
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Prognosis Negative
Mood:  down
Topic: Integroty

Another view of the current XML imbroglio for Microsoft.

Wired: 

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/04/microsoft_petit.html 

Friday, April 06, 2007

Microsoft Petition A Desperate Bid to Gain OOMXL Support

 Lacking community support for its much maligned OOXML file format, Microsoft decided earlier this week to fake it. In yet another bid to fast track the OOXML format for ISO certification, Microsoft has posted an online petition positing grassroots support for OOXML, which has thus far seen very little support outside the walls of Redmond.

Mark Taylor, the founder of the Open Source Consortium, tells ZDNet UK, “in the open-source world, there’s clearly a massive grassroots thing.” Taylor thinks that Microsoft is trying to apply the old adage if you can’t make it, fake it.

“One of the lessons Microsoft has been trying to learn from open source is that — but they have to fake it.” Taylor argues that if there were actually any grassroots support of the OOXML petition it would have been created “ages ago.”

OOXML has been criticized since its inception and with more and more U.S. states moving toward the existing OpenDocument Format over OOXML, Microsoft is facing an increasingly uphill battle with OOXML.

An earlier attempt at posting an open letter to the open source community backfired with most critics dismissing it as whining while one former Microsoft employee went so far as to call the letter “professionally embarrassing.”

Thus far the online petition is receiving pretty much the same reaction.

Marino Marcich of the OpenDocument Format Alliance told Compiler earlier this month that with over twenty countries objecting to the OOXML proposal, “the road ahead for OOXML will by no means be easy.”

Taylor also suggested to ZDNet that Microsoft was “in major trouble trying to get Open XML pushed through” and the petition “shows their worry.”

Posted by Scott Gilbertson 11:25:28 AM in standards

 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:09 PM EDT
Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007 1:09 PM EDT
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What it is when the dude drop the bag...
Mood:  quizzical
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY
E plurus post dictum mons publicus poundum downamus flickdis boogeris

E Pluribus Sputum:


resource: http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/CDBD25E2-0C22-4452-89C87F8A413EE73B/alpha/M/

mens rea

The mental component of criminal liability. To be guilty of most crimes, a defendant must have committed the criminal act (the actus reus) in a certain mental state (the mens rea). The mens rea of robbery, for example, is the intent to permanently deprive the owner of his property.



Having done so before I know the concept of mens rea may be used as an offense or a defense. The 'no doubt he intended to rip off Aunt Sally's piggy bank' assessment can flip over to a 'nobody's that stupid' view when faced with someone committing a crime and doing something as ludicrous as calling the victim and asking for help with problems the 'guilty party' is having with the projected ripoff.

Posters on message boards could use that defense to mitigate the fact they spend hours every day battering the forums of specific subjected stocks with no reasonable goal implied in the posts. Of course the 'nobody's stupid' toe grip on the highwire of criminal defense can set up oscillations in the wire until the judge's mind is thinking 'Wait a minute... NOBODY's THAT stupid.' and the opinion swings sharply toward discounting all that the defendant has to say regarding the 'addiction' or the 'obsession' or the 'altruistic avenger' within the defendant's apparent nefarious intent and actions.

So NOBODY'S that stupid? Stupid like a rabbit.

 

 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:51 PM EDT
Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007 12:55 PM EDT
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When whispers wither and the shoutings begin.
Mood:  a-ok
Topic: Chinadotcom and VCSY

I think I just peed my bippies.

 http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=180966

By: RapidRobert2

06 Apr 2007, 11:22 AM EDT

Msg. 180966 of 180972
(This msg. is a reply to 180961 by Sliver_Fox.)

Sliver: For VCSY: Richard Wade, Steve Gunn, Marianne Franklin, Luiz Valdetaro, the CFO at the time (I forget his name) Ken Orgain, and one or two others.

For Ross, Robert Webster (CFO at the time, now a consultant), Tinley, CEO at the time..they were called out of order during the plaintiffs case. I don't know who else is left at Ross to put on unless they bring in Gary Geyselen (Arglen) and I don't think they would be that foolish to bring that guy in as a witness, VCSY lawyers could rip into him and he might even risk criminal charges if he said too much. Wade would love it, though.

Naw! No one will believe they just 'got' the software to use and not have to worry about paying for it. Besides, CDC would be responsible, Ross is a subsidiary and Tinley was the CEO of CDC for a few short months until he left under a cloud when CDC was also announcing they had crooks inside the company. NO way can CDC get around knowing they should not be using 'emPath'...if,indeed,they are using it to this day.

Later,
RR
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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:29 PM EDT
Updated: Friday, 6 April 2007 1:39 PM EDT
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Thursday, 5 April 2007
This Speaks Volumes
Mood:  incredulous
Topic: Integroty

Do I need to add any comment to this? I think not. 

Microsoft criticized for Open XML petition
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6173625.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
Company urges fast-track standardization of Office Open XML; open-source advocates say Microsoft is worried rivals will gain too much ground.
By David Meyer
Special to CNET News.com
Published: April 5, 2007, 8:06 AM PDT

An online petition posted by Microsoft to fast-track the standardization of its Office Open XML document format masks the company's concern over the procedure, according to a leading open-source advocate.

The petition is an attempt to make it appear that Open XML has "pseudo-grassroots" support, argues Mark Taylor, the founder of the Open Source Consortium.

"In the open-source world, there's clearly a massive grassroots thing," Taylor told ZDNet UK on Thursday. "One of the lessons Microsoft has been trying to learn from open source is that--but they have to fake it. If there was any grassroots support behind it, the time to have done (the petition) would have been ages ago."

The petition, which was uploaded to Microsoft's U.K. site on March 29, asks businesses to show their support for the Open XML format being fast-tracked through the standardization process at the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). The format is integral to Office 2007, but Microsoft is pushing it as an international open standard for documents, spreadsheets and presentations.

"We already have an international standard, the OpenDocument format, and governments are increasingly adopting it," said Taylor on Thursday. "Having a second standard is utterly unnecessary."

Taylor also speculated that the timing of the release of the petition--which was shortly before the Easter and Passover holidays--was intended to make resistance to the campaign less likely. Despite the recent advancement of Open XML onto a new stage of the standardization process, Taylor also suggested that Microsoft was "in major trouble trying to get Open XML pushed through" and the petition "shows their worry."

That view was echoed by Rufus Pollock, the director of the Foundation for Free Information Infrastructure (FFII), who told ZDNet UK that Microsoft was pushing for the fast-track because it feared the spread of the OpenDocument Format through the popular OpenOffice package. Pointing out that the specifications for Open XML run to 6,000 pages, he suggested that fast-track standardization would be inappropriate because there were "a lot of concerns about what might be in there," such as patents.

"An over-complex proposal being pushed through is not going to be good for anyone, other than perhaps Microsoft," Pollock said.

David Meyer of ZDNet UK reported from London.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:54 PM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 5 April 2007 2:58 PM EDT
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BIG Flaw BIG Problem
Mood:  chatty
Topic: Integroty

What Microsoft says and what Microsoft wants you to believe are two different things altogether.

 And YES I'm going to post the entire article. Read it and sober up.

 

Microsoft SaaS plan has image problem
Software giant struggles to keep up with Web-based competitors in SaaS market
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/04/04/HNmicrosoftsaas_1.html
By Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service
April 04, 2007

Microsoft plans to make expanding its SaaS (software as a service) strategy a priority in the next 12 months, but the company continues to suffer an image problem as it struggles to prove that it can compete in this new services market.

Earlier this week, Tim O'Brien, a director in Microsoft's Platform Strategy Group, defined Microsoft's plan for the SaaS market as a "move to the middle," as outlined in detail last June by Microsoft Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie at the company's TechEd conference in Boston. At the show, Ozzie said Microsoft's plan to roll out services -- many branded with the "Live" moniker -- will complement its existing software portfolio rather than be purely an SaaS play.

O'Brien reiterated that strategy to the IDG News Service, saying Microsoft will continue to move deeper in the hosted services space, but not at the expense of its extensive software platform. He said that even pure-play SaaS companies such as Salesforce.com see the need for both software and services, citing that company's client-based Salesforce.com offering designed so that customers can access information from their hosted CRM service even when they are offline.

"It's not an either/or world," O'Brien said. "That's where we see things headed and that's where we're headed with platform capabilities."

Microsoft plans to add services across its entire software portfolio to achieve several goals, O'Brien said. One is to enable its existing software to run on different clients but provide a similar user experience, which it has already begun to do with products such as Exchange Server, he said.

Microsoft has offered Exchange as messaging software on the back end that feeds to the Outlook client on PCs for several years, but recently it has been expanding the capabilities of Exchange through both multiclient capabilities and hosted services. Users now can access services running on Exchange through the Web and on mobile devices.

Microsoft also hosts Exchange Server for companies that don't want to purchase and install the software themselves, and offers its own hosted services based on Exchange, such as e-mail filtering, archiving, and anti-spam.

Other goals for its software-plus-services strategy are to give customers more ways to deliver their own hosted services and enable them to build custom services that combine pieces of different applications both inside and outside the firewall, a scenario known as SOA, O'Brien said.

Microsoft's hosted services plan is not new. Companies such as Salesforce.com, Yahoo, and Google have built their businesses on the hosted services they offer and are promoting their products as platforms on which third parties can build their own services.

While those companies have taken full advantage of the Web, Microsoft has consistently had trouble defining its strategy to expand beyond server and desktop software to truly offer hosted services. Though Microsoft has been making significant investments in services and actually has an extensive SaaS portfolio under its belt, it is not considered the leader in the SaaS market.

One problem is that when Microsoft introduced its Live services in November 2005, it seemed mostly like a consumer play. The company rebranded some of its existing MSN properties -- such as MSN Search and MSN Messenger -- with the "Windows Live" name and added new services.

But now it's becoming clear that Microsoft plans to brand both consumer and business services under the "Live" moniker. For example, offerings such as Windows Live Search and Xbox Live online gaming community are directed at consumers, while CRM Live and Office Live are aimed at business customers.

At the same time, the company offered Office Live, which is somewhat of a misnomer. Office Live is not actually a hosted version of Microsoft's popular Office product, but according to Burton Group Research Director Peter O'Kelly, it's a hosted version of Microsoft's SharePoint collaboration software bundled with some hosted small-business applications.

"That can be confusing," he said, especially because Microsoft now considers SharePoint, once a stand-alone product, part of its Office software suite.

Furthermore, Microsoft has given similar names to other hosted business services, which also doesn't help present a clear big picture for its services plan. The company offers both Hosted Exchange and Exchange Hosted Services, which are business products that do two different things.

The different names used by Microsoft's array of Exchange hosted services will only add to the confusion, O'Kelly said.

The fundamental problem with all of this is that Microsoft is trying to identify a varied strategy under one "software plus services" umbrella, and it's really not that simple, Gartner's Smith said.

"I think they have to figure out a better way to explain it," he said. "There is a story in there that makes sense and there is some really good stuff that they're doing, but they are having a very hard time explaining what that is."

O'Brien's comments Monday did little to clarify the situation, especially since he would not go into specifics about exactly how Microsoft plans to expand its software and services strategy in the next year. But it's likely the company will continue to refine and attempt to clarify its image as it seeks to steal both services and advertising revenue from its younger and more nimble competitors. 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:35 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 5 April 2007 10:38 AM EDT
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Wednesday, 4 April 2007
Oh yeah Oh yeah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
Mood:  irritated
Topic: Integroty

 Some people talk and talk and talk and other people get things done. 

 Those of you who look toward Microsoft for cutting edge moves in software you need to go to the local restaurant and see what they're using for knives. Your market leadership and technology return on investments ain't none too sharp.

 The two hot topics in efficient SaaS (Software as a Service) is autonomic management (self managing server systems) and governance management (self policing server systems).

 Let's take a look at the two. First we'll look at the term 'autonomic' as it applies to Microsoft.

This is Microsoft talking about autonomic systems management. The date is March 2003:
http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci886334,00.html
Microsoft to map out autonomic computing strategy
By Margie Semilof, Senior News Writer
17 Mar 2003
(excerpt)
Industry experts have been waiting for Microsoft to publicly discuss its strategy for autonomic computing. IBM Corp. and Sun Microsystems Inc. are among the vendors who have such plans in place.

If you google microsoft + autonomic you'll find a nice book but most of what Microsoft talked about in that arena was back in 2003 and nothing since then.

And news? Uhhhhh... try google microsoft + autonomic news. Feast your ever loving eyes on the vast nothingness.


Then we will look at one MSFT competitor in IBM. Where is Microsoft's competitor IBM? Here's just one example of what they are doing now.
http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=9232&scatid=8&contid=1#
IBM Opens New Autonomic Computing Technology Center in Bangalore
IT News Online Staff
2007-04-03
That was this week.

Google IBM + autonomic news and now ask yourself where has Microsoft been all these years? Why are they so behind and why are they not even now making so much as a splash in the subject?

 OK so that was 'autonomic' computing. It's not a buzzword and it will define the degree to which your computation resources are affordable and reliable as services. Such affordable reliability can be provided at any level as good scalable software is wont to provide.

 That or your applications and operating systems will have to run in human hands.

 Good luck. 

 Then let's talk about the subject of governance management.

 Here's Microsoft's triumphant entry into the governance arena:

http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci1249438,00.html
Microsoft systems management to enter governance fray
By Christina Torode, Senior News Writer
29 Mar 2007

 Now do a google of IBM + governance. Hey look... even the microsoft PR is in the mix LOL

 Now honestly folks. Who are you going to believe?

 Which do you believe has a horse in the autonomic management arena? Microsoft? or their competitors?

 Which do you believe has a horse in the governance management arena? Microsoft? or their competitors?

 So could you please explain to me just how ANY technologically savvy developer or designer or architect or manager or journalist still believes anything Microsoft says?

 Of course the business types will couch their opinions in 'good MSFT's holding back' 'wait for the market to come to you'.

 But... really? You folks would commend the job Microsoft management has been doing all this time do you? That's interesting. There really ARE koolaid drinkers out there.

 Uhhh guys you can't be serious with a two, three, four, five year failure to produce in key areas to compete when they HAD RESOURCES IN PLACE TO COMPETE and you're going to spin that as a 'good' thing.

 Heh heh heh. Wow. And they think I hang on the hookah a little too long.

 Holding back and letting a market develop and making the other players eat their mistakes and coming in from behind is one thing. But how long is all that supposed to take when you've been working on it for five years already?

 The competitors are managing to field their solutions as they emerge out of their development testbeds and apparently are being very enthusiastically received where ever they go.

 And you guys haven't even gotten off the porch. Is this a tortoise and the hare thing? You think you can run that fast when the tortoise is touching the finish line? Is this some kind of an expensive joke?

 $20 billion in R&D over 3 years and they have ... what? Are they doing a better job now? We'll know in two, three, four years now won't we?

 If you ask me the folks who really take it from behind with this sort of 'business strategy' are the grunts out in the field using (or should I say NOT using in this instance) Microsoft tools and technology to achieve what (oops I did it again) I mean to NOT achieve the kinds of technological leaps their colleagues in other houses do.

 Why would anyone want to stunt their career usefulness so much? Do they think they will work at Microsoft forever? Will there BE a Micrososoft still around to support their careers? I suppose there will be something called a Microsoft but it is already a pale imitation of its past glories.

 If the corporate technology base is so grey and in shock now what amount of the remaining life and cash will have drained from the corporate body one year two years from now?

 (Ye gods I wax eloquent and apocalyptical.) 

 The workers take it in the end always being behind the learning curve and producing obvious copycat merchandise built out like some sort of Japanese post WW2 tin toy factory. They used to build battleships. It's hard to scale down to a wind up toy. Give 'em a break.

 Damn. Who blew these MSFT guys up? They're wandering around feckless in the ruins of an XML technology display and they're talking about how wonderful things are... while everyone else chronicles their devastation and shock.

 Don't like that allegory? try this one: Biggest brontosaurus in the entire software swamp and something like an electric fence keeps the poor baby in a very small yard.  What has the power to do that? Hmmmm Must have been that old devil 'the details'.

 Try making a view of your own. Any view you draw of Microsoft at this stage of the game is this: if you took away their money (they only have ~$30billion in the old cow - a billion hardly goes anywhere these days) and the established Office user base (under increasing marketing pressure to defect) and the Established Windows base (under increasing skepticism as to value in new products) what you have is a startup. And a not very efficient nor productive startup at that.

 I will wait patiently for the laughter to die down. You can't think while you're laughing at me, ok? This is important. Pay attention. You think I stand around here in this clown outfit all day long to recurve my scroliosis or something? I have been smoten by the emerods in my long suffering duties as pundidiot so I got a right to complain already.

 Prep H ain't gonna sooth my ills people. Fairness justice and the American Way whatever the hell that means these days. At least a reasonable facsimile thereof unto. 

 Microsoft acts now like a failed dotcom of the 2000 era.  Burning cash and posting PRs saying 'This time we're really in it big!'

 They're in it big alright. Pucketa squeak pucketa squeak pucketa squeak squeak squeak. KWIM?

 I can see you're still grinning but if you were to tabulate all that Microsoft has amounted to in terms of viable work for a company this size and their cash-burning rate one has to wonder what sort of movies will be made about the old dinosaur's teetering collapse into irrelevance before long.

 Remember hubris and deception? Remember the terrible toll such takes on integrity and viability? Don't believe that old school mold time religion moralistic crap? Think Jesus only saves and is too pacifist to braid a bigger whip? 

 HA Forget Vista. Deceptive marketing seems to have permeated all of Microsoft if you ask me. Let it run.

 There is no 'there' there. When you're standing on the 'X Marks the Spot' 'You are here' spot there's no 'here' here. Somebody is choking off Microsoft's ability to wield XML in a free and easy way and that's regardless all the work they 'say' they do in XML. Where it's obvious to the serious they are not even playing.

 Odd. Very very odd.

 Whatsamatta U Wiz? Nothing to sew up the web and the PC? Nothing to make your governance and autonomic efforts fruitful? Limited? Confined? Embunkered? Take the easy way out. Make me and many others rich. Buy a license for crying out loud.

Then you can drive down 101 like you're proud to be here... or there.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 3:14 AM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:23 AM EDT
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