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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Saturday, 1 March 2008
But the Norton said I was over Rhineshticken!
Mood:  caffeinated
Now Playing: 'Rumors Fall From The Sky' Bombardier blown from plane lands in hog pen. Benton D'Struckshin / Winsom Demerits

Dates to Remember (some will live in infamy)

Fur das flickenshnotten und shitzenflippen en das messagenborden:

March 7, 2000 VCSY…acquired Emily Solutions

March 29, 2000 arsDigita Secures $35 Million via General Atlantic and Greylock

August 3, 2000 VCSY… beta release of two of its MLE (Markup Language Executive “Emily”) Solutions Suite products: the XML Catalog Enabler Agent and the XML Database Agent.

September 6, 2000 launch of an educational and informational Web site devoted to in-depth explanations of the company's XML-based software solutions.

December 27, 2000 (iNPI) officially unveiled details of its strategic alliance and joint ventures with Vertical Computer Systems (VCSY) to use, market and sell VCSY's Emily™ XML technology for the B2G and B2B markets.


January 31, 2001 joint venture between iNet Government Services LLC (iNet) and Apollo Industries, Inc. ("Apollo") to form a separate LLC under the name "SmarteGov." Jerome Svigals, Director of MIS at Apollo and SmarteGov…generally regarded as the 'father of the magnetic stripe card.’

February 2, 2001 Barry Diller marriage to Diane von Furstenburg. Diller becomes Father-in-Law to Rober Miller via through Alexandre Prinz von Fürstenberg/Alexandra Miller 1995 marriage.

February 12, 2001 VCSY/Emily Solutions selected by IBM to be one of 40 companies now featured as innovation leaders on IBM’s new showcase Web site

February 20, 2001 Emily™ XML Enabler Agent is available for public purchase and download

March 13, 2001 Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (OTCBB:VCSY), a  provider of Web commerce solutions, today announced that through Now Solutions, LLC, it has acquired a 60% majority interest in the Renaissance CS® Human Resources and Payroll (“HRIS/PAYROLL”) product division from Ross Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ: ROSS). 

March 19, 2001  Microsoft releases Hailstorm

March 20, 2001 World Bank funds
( developed using arsDigita Community System software work)

September 5, 2001 acquisition of one hundred percent (100%) of Texas-based EnFacet, Inc., … "EnFacet’s innovations provide a strong synergy with our Emily enhancements"

November 1, 2001 VCSY…appointment of Stephen O. Rossetti to head the Company’s (Vertical Computers) new Government Affairs division to be headquartered in Washington D.C.

??2001 At some point during 2001 (bave, can you give the particulars re past email? - if you can dig them out and sanitize the name) iNet hosted the development of software to service a cluster computer
See comment to this post below. Thanks bave.


January 3, 2002 -- Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (OTCBB: VCSY) announced today that it has acquired an option to … interest in iNetPurchasing, Inc. "iNet…current strong working relationship between VCSY and iNet … facilitated the testing and deployment of EmilyTM… throughout Texas, Maine, and Idaho"

February 4, 2002 arsDigita acquired by Red Hat Linux

February 21, 2002 contracted for the sale and installation of its ResponseFlash™ software to enhance emergency response communications for Marion County, Indiana, including Indianapolis, the state’s largest city…MECA (Metropolitan Emergency Communications Agency} serves the City of Indianapolis and Marion County, Indiana … wide variety of communications equipment, including more than 1,800 mobile devices, 8,000 handheld radios, 3,000 mobile radios and 5,000 pagers. MECA director Linn Piper is also chairperson of Motorola's Mobile Data Users Group (MDUG).

April 11, 2002 Microsoft pulls plug on Hailstorm

August 14, 2002 Grand River Hospital has selected NOW Solutions as their HRIS provider of choice…powerful capabilities and features of emPath™

September 18, 2002 licensing of emPath(TM) to Betty Ford Center
(Emily checks into rehab)

October 2, 2002 NOW Solutions…Northern Health Authority in Canada

November 25, 2002 NOW Solutions…upgrade and licensing of emPath™ to Cerebral Palsy Associations of New York State

November 27, 2002 NOW Solutions…upgrade and licensing of emPath(TM) to a large municipal(unnamed in release) government in New Mexico


July 6, 2003 Laughing Place #1 started on ProgrammersHeaven website -  (Webmaster for Programmersheaven is .Net MVP. Laughing Place #1 will be shut down by Programmersheaven webmaster April 25, 2007 - one week after VCSY sues Microsoft for infringement of patent 6826744).

July 18-28, 2003 AOL Time-Warner / Chinadotcom split up

September 8, 2003
Ross Systems, Inc. (Nasdaq: ROSS), a global provider of enterprise software for manufacturers, and CDC Software Holdings Inc, a wholly owned subsidiary of chinadotcom corporation (Nasdaq: CHINA), an integrated enterprise solution and software company, announced today that they have signed a definitive agreement whereby CDC Software will acquire Ross Systems in a merger valued at approximately US$68.9 million.

October 31, 2003 Microsoft releases Web Controls 1.0 for .Net. 


April 6, 2004 Google talks about WebOS. Microsoft stays quiet. 

June 4, 2004 WHATWG open mailing list announced
"The Web Hypertext Applications Technology working group therefore intends to address the need for one coherent development environment for Web Applications."

August 27, 2004
chinadotcom corporation ("chinadotcom") (NASDAQ: CHINA; Website:, a leading integrated enterprise software and mobile applications company in China and internationally, today announced that it has completed its acquisition of Ross Systems, Inc. ("Ross Systems")

August 27, 2004 Longhorn rewrite announced. Winfs out of Longhorn.

August 31, 2004 VCSY SiteFlash Patent allowance
See USPTO PAIR Site at:
and use application number: 09/410,334
Look for allowance notice under Image File Wrapper tab.

October 2004 Laszlo Systems releases code for Laszlo Presentation Server to open-source.

November 8, 2004 WHATWG releases draft of Web Controls 1.0.

November 9, 2004 Recy43 Raging Bull VCSy posts truncated.

November 11, 2004 Ballmer throws chair during meeting with Mark Lucovsky on news he is leaving MSFT to join Google

November 18, 2004 Ballmer accuses Linux of violating >258 patents

November 30, 2004 VCSY SiteFlash Patent granted

December 1, 2004 VCSY delisted by SEC for reporting failure
Returned to listing by SEC December 6, 2005

December 13, 2004 SavaJe wins LG mobile OS gig
(SavaJe 26% owned by Vodafone, Orange and T-Mobile - ring ring)

December 15, 2004 Bill Gates joins board of Berkshire Hathaway



February 18, 2005 'AJAX' coined to describe web development centered around activity of Microsoft developed XMLhttpRequest

April 18, 2005 Adobe to acquire Macromedia

July 19, 2005 IBM and Lazlo Systems jointly propose Laszlo IDE for Eclipse

August 31, 2005 Patrick Tinley CEO of Ross Systems/CDC promoted to CEO of CDC Software

September 1, 2005 WHATWG releases draft of Web Apps 1.0

September 1, 2005 WHATWG releases draft of Web Forms 2.0

November 9, 2005 Vista was on a one sticker campaign 

December 5, 2005 Adobe completes acquisition of Macromedia

December 6, 2005 Patrick Tinley removed as CEO of CDC Software

December 6, 2005 VCSY returns from pinksheets (after delisting December 1, 2004)

December 6, 2005 CDC/Ross Systems CEO fired by CDC

December 13, 2005 IBM, SAP and Microsoft announce shut down of UDDI.

December 20, 2005 Microsoft is telling techs the Premium Standard is a minimum for Vista Aero. 

These are absolute minimum requirements, and our testing here shows that to be productive in any way you will need to meet the Vista 'Premium' requirements:

-1 GHZ Processor
-1 GB of RAM
-A DirectX 9 Compatible Video card with a WDDM driver, 128 MB of ram, and 2.0 pixel shader
-40 GB of hard drive space

Even with the above specs, you will still feel Vista is sluggish. At least 2 GB of ram will make things much faster.

January 12, 2006 UDDI publication ceased.

January ??, 2006 Vista Windows Vista Premium Ready PCs Campaign becomes a two-sticker campaign ( or Windows Vista Capable ) to enrich Intel by dropping their qualification standards for Vista.

This is what you had to do to be a proper customer to Microsoft after the techno-bait-and-switch:

Question: Why would Microsoft principals want to drop the qualification standards for anybody unless there was a compelling financial reason to do so? What benefit did it bring Microsoft? And if there is no common sense financial benefit to Microsoft?

Such a move as performed by Microsoft by dropping the performance qualifications to allow Intel to market a very large number of their Vista-incapable graphics chip sets as Vista Ready is so obviously fraught with risks charter, fiduciary and judicial principles, one has to conclude that, given no financial advantage to Microsoft, one can assume the act was involuntary on Microsoft's part.

In other words, somebody at Intel has a picture of somebody in Microsoft management and a dog we all would rather not have to see.

Well, in my world, the only thing that would get you to do what Microsoft did for Intel is if somebody had and promised to show the pictures of "our" last little strategy party to the world and me and the Poodle in the throes of kavorka-fueled puppy love was the hit of the party. Not good public relations for a corporate management culture toward instilling a general appearance of "soundness" IYKWIM.

(By the way, you may notice this will mark the point in the timeline when I shoved this post over the opinion line about as far as you can see. All I know is speculation and association but you're going to have to explain the trends if you're going to contend.)

Large earthquakes start as a "letting go" of wholeness on either side of a dividing line. People call them "faults". The same image can be drawn within a corporate population as a monolithic and homoegenous rock.

A tear across the surface of least resistance will cultivate between the populace who won't cross an ethical line and those to which ethical lines are imaginary boundary. When the impending tear progresses, you see or can sometimes project what path the good guys will take and which path the bad guys think will work.

Perhaps with time there will be those who don't intend to be found helping a lie perpetrate and there are many effective ways for discussing things in this present electronic age.

So the future is all a tither.

Alot has been said and there's more to look at. These are my opinions and impressions and if you don't understand the world of SCADA, don't sit and curse me. Learn something about distributed computing in some form before you start blathering about what one company has done and another hasn't.

Why this focus on UDDI? UDDI seems like an intimidating subject or concept, but it will give you, as a novice, a foundation for perceiving just how architecture determines how data and commands in a system will be handled and why some ideas are elegant, some are close-but-no-cigar and some are dogs-stepped-on-by-ponies.

UDDI also acts as a marker to correlate other events so a general sense of the direction a technology is headed (or not headed) can be mapped out before the common man finds out (if ever).

Think through and come up with a refutation of what I am saying.

So enjoy what you will but do your own thinking and compare what you know to all that you are considering. Make sure you're honest about what you see and how you're portraying the defining area and volume immediate to that fault.

Don't find yourself having to ignore the full range of a subject and limit your understanding about a particular uncomfortable subject.

Don't be slavish to a view you are  supposed to take based on an industry view, associations, avowed principles or issues hampering the considerations.

Think through. Work toward the most likely concept of future goal, regardless of limitations. Compare that emulation with the possiblilities suggested with the real picture and decide if the delta (the amount of change necessary to achieve the goal from present state) is possible conceptually (are you able to describe a scenario that starts at the present situation and can demonstrably follow a path that logically could happen to get to desired or above goal) or is simply a wishful thought (the resources or path to obtain enabling resources doesn't exist or has no chain of resources could make up the perceived gap from here to there).

Anywho, Have fun and we'll compare notes with each other on the other side of MIX08 or better.


March 21, 2006 Vista delayed

March 23, 2006 VCSY receives allowance for US 7,076,521
See USPTO PAIR Site at:
and use application number: 09/882,494
Look for allowance notice under Image File Wrapper tab.

March 24, 2006 Vista rewrite rumor surfaces (Scoble denies rumor)

March 24, 2006 Microsoft virtualization to be in Apple Leopard


May 08, 2006 Yahoo makes Panama ad center public 

May 17, 2006 Sun blesses JAVA phone with SavaJe
(SavaJe spinoff of Lucent 1999)

June 6, 2006 Raymond Niro takes on patent 6826744 case.

June 10, 2006 Robert Scoble abandons ship
(could not refute Vista rewrite rumor)

June 15, 2006 Ted Hase Leaves Microsoft

June 16, 2006 Sun's Tim Bray blog on SavaJe 

June 20, 2006 Martin Taylor leaves Microsoft with a *poof*

June 23, 2006 WinFS dead

June 26, 2006 Gates/Buffet bonding

June 29, 2006 Vic Gundotra resigns from Microsoft (currently behind Google+)


July 11, 2006 VCSY US 7,076,521 granted
(See allowance granted March 23 2006)


July 18, 2006 Yahoo Panama ad center delayed

July 19, 2006 Microsoft ad center delayed
(More like hit the pause button 7/14 - 7/19 - technical?)

July 25, 2006 HP announces acquiring Mercury Interactive


October 17, 2006 Yahoo Panama launched for internal use
(90 days after June 19, 2006)

October 17, 2006 SavaJe goes dark unexpectedly
(micro-kernel OS for JAVA - see May 17 2006) 

November 3, 2006 Ballmer invites Patent talks with Linux vendors 


January 4, 2007 Google's Mark Lucovsky (previously Microsoft November 2004) interviewed

January 28, 2007 James Gray disappeared
[expert in distributed transactional processes]

February 1, 2007 Yahoo Panama launched for public use

February 7, 2007 VCSY sends Microsoft cease and desist on  US 6,826,744
[patent granted November 30, 2004]

February 15, 2007 Michael Gartenberg joins Microsoft from Jupiter

February 19, 2007 Interview with Google's Mark Lucovsky published

February 20, 2007 Ballmer repeats threats against Linux on patents

March 7, 2007 Michael Gartenberg leaves Microsoft after 20 days to return to Jupiter

March 14, 2007 VCSY acquires exclusive rights for StatePointPlus in Government and Healthcare in the United States and Canada

March 2007 Microsoft requires Matthew Miszewski to sign employee agreement preventing him from disclosing confidential information "during his employment and at all times thereafter..."

March 23, 2007 Apple Leopard delay rumor surfaces
[reason: virtualization] [non-Apple sources deny]

April 5, 2007 Software AG buys Webmethods for $546 million.

April 12, 2007 Apple Leopard delay to October announced
[Apple admits]

April 12, 2007 Microsoft Viridian delay  to October announced

April 13, 2007 Sun buys SavaJe IP
(which went dark in unexplained circumstances last year see Oct 17 2006)

April 16, 2007 Microsoft applies for Arbitrary Object Editing patent.

April 18, 2007 VCSY sued Microsoft for infringement on US 6,826,744

April 25, 2007 ProgrammersHeaven VCSY A Laughing Place (#1) shut down by webmaster

April 27, 2007 CEO AT&T (T) announced retirement

April 27, 2007 CEO Orange announced retirement

April 29, 2007 Microsoft announced Data Entity cut from Orcas

April 30, 2007 IBM retires much legacy Websphere Global

May 04, 2007 Microsoft + Yahoo formal talks fuzzle

May 10, 2007 Apple to release Leopard on original date June 

May 10, 2007 Microsoft cuts key elements from Viridian

May 13, 2007 Ballmer accuses Linux of violating 258 patents

May 14, 2007 Estimated beginning of 60 day extension requested by Microsoft for negotiations re: VCSY v MSFT patent suit 

May 18, 2007 CDC/Ross Software CEO Yip reassigned to CEO Musser

May 24, 2007 Microsoft cancels Professional Developers Conference (PDC) scheduled for October

August 29, 2007 Interwoven confirms it no longer provides an XML-based content component management capability.


January 16, 2008 Oracle buys BEA Systems for $8.5 billion.

February 1, 2008 Microsoft makes unsolicited $45 billion bid for Yahoo.

February 11, 2008 Microsoft buys Danger.

July 23, 2008 Kevin Johnson, head of online division, announces leaving Microsoft.

July 25, 2008: Markman Hearing scheduled for this day in VCSY v MSFT for infringement of 6826744 did not occur because Microsoft settled with VCSY in a confidential settlement the day before the hearing.

July 25, 2008 - Microsoft announces largest stock buyback in company history.

September 30, 2008 Microsoft establishes first debt financing in company history for $6,000,000,000.

October 16, 2008 Microsoft Arbitrary Object Editing patent application published. See April 16, 2007 application date.

October 27, 2008 - Microsoft introduces Azure and "joins the cloud party".


January 12, 2009 - Interwoven notified of infringement of patent 6826744 by TeamSite 2006 product. See lawsuit circa November 15, 2010.

January 12, 2009 - Palm WebOS Synergy demonstrated.

January 22, 2009 - Interwoven agrees to be acquired by Autonomy.

March 5, 2009 - VCSY meets with Interwoven in San Jose, California. VCSY alleges Interwoven intentionally concealed its infringement of the 744 patent. See lawsuit circa November 15, 2010.

October 22, 2009 - Microsoft introduces Windows 7 to replace ill-fated Vista.

November 19, 2009 - Google releases long awaited Chrome OS web operating system.


January 18, 2010 Michael Miszewski appointed Senior VP Global Public Sector at Salesforce.

January 27, 2010 Microsoft blocks Miszewski move to Salesforce.

March 25, 2010 VCSY announces allowance of 7716629 continuance to 6826744.

April 14, 2010 - VCSY announces:
"In July 2008, we settled an infringement claim we had initiated in federal court against Microsoft. We are waiting for the issuance of the Continuation Patent for U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744 (which SiteFlash™ is based upon) before we engage with new licensees because we believe the Continuation Patent provides better protection for this intellectual property asset."

April 28, 2010 HP buys Palm

May 11, 2010 - VCSY granted patent  7716629 - a continuance of patent 6826744 "System and Method for Generating Web Sites in an Arbitrary Object Framework."

June 14, 2010 - VCSY institutes "poison pill" agreement.

June 14, 2010 - Microsoft enters into $1,250,000,000 indenture.

June 30, 2010 Microsoft kills Kin aka the Pink Danger.

August 12, 2010 - Interwoven notified of infringement of patent 6826744 by TeamSite 2006 product. Lawsuit alleges "Interwoven agains mislead Vertical into believing that it would attempt to resolve any patent infringement claim by Vertical by negotiating in good faith, but it obtained an extension of time under the pretext of studying the issues presented by Vertical to prepare a lawsuit against Vertical." See lawsuit circa November 15, 2010.

October 11, 2010 - Microsoft releases Windows Phone 7.

October 14, 2010 - Interwoven sues VCSY in an effort to have parts of 6826744 and 7716629 ruled invalid

October 24, 2010 - Ray Ozzie quits as "cloud computing guru" for Microsoft.

November 11, 2010 - Additional child application 12/777,885 to 7716629 made public by USPT.

November 12, 2010 - Silverlight gets its own developer event.

November 15, 2010 VCSY sues Interwoven, LG and Samsung for infringing against patents 6826744 and 7716629.

November 15, 2010 - Google Chrome OS web operating system delayed without explanation.

November 22, 2010 - Samsung focusing on Windows 7 instead of Android?

November 22, 2010 - Novell sells to Attachmate.

December 02, 2010 - Barry Diller resigns as IAC CEO. 



June 12, 2011 Entered for the historical record.

July 1, 2011 Microsoft/Apple group buys Nortel patents.

July 29, 2011 Google buys IBM patents.

August 15, 2011 Google buys Motorola Mobility.

August 18, 2011 HP offers to buy Autonomy.


Circa June 2012 VCSY responds to USPTO non-final rejection. 

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 6:06 PM EST
Updated: Thursday, 14 June 2012 12:07 PM EDT
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Monday, 14 May 2007
Trying to Make Reno With One Canteen Amongst Them.
Mood:  a-ok
Now Playing: 'Death Valley Days' Drought over hi-tech farmland brings ruin to Farmer Brown. (a 20mule team production)

Much thanks to Bob Jr commenting to over at the Laughing Place #3 site

 If you like Microsoft, you're not going to like this. Not my fault. Not my words. Not even my damn server. It's all virtual. That's why patience is a virtue. It plugs a body in to the arbitrariness of time and enables the mind within to not become paralyzed with indecision or fear (same same).

May 14th, 2007

Why Microsoft hasn’t sued (yet)

Posted by Dana Blankenhorn @ 7:01 am Categories: General, Linux, Legal, Patents, FOSS, Microsoft, IBM

Microsoft continues to make its claim that Linux violates its patents.

Chief counsel Brad Smith told Fortune last week open source violates 235 Microsoft patents.

It reminds me of some of the lists Joe McCarthy used to wave back in the day.

Software patents are not described in patent law. They entered our law through court cases, and the Supreme Court itself has yet to rule on a claim of this type. The most important case law on this is less than 10 years old.  

The Supreme Court's most recent ruling on patents indicates a general toughening of standards, based on the idea that they should accelerate invention, not hinder it. Vonage is now trying to get the Supreme Court to rehear its lost case with Verizon based on the ruling.  

Since courts are the source of this right Microsoft claims to have, it is very tenuous. It can be taken away by a court, or it can be overriden by a Congressional rewrite of patent law.

So in the end this is a political struggle. Microsoft knows this and is fighting it in a political way.

The Novell agreement, and all the cross-licensing agreements which have followed, are political efforts. Many big companies, starting with those in the Open Invention Network, oppose the ideas Microsoft is putting forth, so by getting big firms to sign papers — any papers — Microsoft hopes to remove them as political foes.

But time is not on Microsoft's side, and the cost of its intransigence keeps rising. Its ballyhooed Silverlight technology is going to bomb like Bob because many developers will simply refuse to deal with a Microsoft product, due to its stance on patents and Linux.

Microsoft is fast becoming the new SCO. The SCO vs. IBM case, by the way, is now at trial.

My opinion is that Microsoft is engaged in a software patent cold war with IBM, which previously made billions of dollars by licensing its patents before Microsoft got into the game. IBM's quiet response in 2004 was to release 500 of its patents, royalty free.

The idea that all this in the end may be a Microsoft vs. IBM battle and that this time IBM will win is just one of the many delicious ironies here. It's just a pity we're all caught in the crossfire.

"...The idea that all this in the end may be a Microsoft vs. IBM battle and that this time IBM will win is just one of the many delicious ironies here...." By George, I think he's got it!

The fact that IBM is such an open-source proponent will not be lost on the small vendors and inventors and developers who will see an example as to how a large corporation should play with partners and friends.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 3:27 PM EDT
Updated: Monday, 14 May 2007 3:41 PM EDT
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Thursday, 10 May 2007
...all day long he's been jumping on the lawn chair yelling 'Yip Yip Yahoo!'
Mood:  caffeinated
Now Playing: 'Die Purple Fliedermaus Gerfluffen' Enemy agents probed by General Wankenstein. (War Atrocities)

MAMA! Jilly said I can't sit in the back seat because I stole her peanut butter and jilly sandmich.

Jilly let Sara. Sara stick your tongue back in. Let Sara sit back there with you or y'all take turns.


Something to twiddle your unthinkables... dun dun duhhnnnn du duhhnnnnnnnnnnn ... In this episode of Canoles in the Dessert, Field Marshalk Rummel finds himself in a pickle as the Italian troops defect enmasse'...

'Vait! Du haben nicht das osterizergestoffen mit dem toasterputzen fur das consolink prischevershitinkenmakken mit snoopeas!'.

Ya'll turn that down. I can't hear Connie Francis up here.

Yes ma'am. 

'Commandant Plink! Der Panzers aust mit dem proopsbegorken aber nicht so das pinklesmakenschitnken!'

'Gut Gott das plinkenschitinen ist das muggermaken von der plaschtiknederber!' 

'Aul ist los alt ist los mitten dem ctrl under del vershtocken plumetingen.' 

dun dun duuuunnnnnnnnnn... dun duhhnnnnnnn

Don't color on that.

Oh yeah? I can color it if I want to because it... is...... mine and mama said so. Nyah.


Come with us now to yester year when men had fuzzies and women kept tarantulas for pets. In this episode of 'Whipping Post' we join Madam Bruteskink and her slave Herr Plaken Shpiken as they endure grueling interrogation following the death of Claude N. Stanken. 

TURN IT DOWN OR SO HELP ME I'LL STOP THIS CAR RIGHT NOW! Y'all are making me miss Patsy Cline.

Yes ma'am. 


By: ajax203
17 May 2006, 04:42 PM EDT
Msg. 159136 of 184813 aka

Some Microsoft XML background:

Microsoft used this concept called Silkroute to build relational data in flat files into SQL/ML:
We describe a general framework for mapping relational databases to XML views, to be used in data exchange.

We describe a new query language, RXL, for mapping relational sources to XML views.

We describe a sound and complete query composition algorithm that, when given an RXL query and an XML-QL query, generates a new RXL query equivalent to their composition.

We describe a technique by which most of the work in an RXL query can be shipped to the underlying database engine.

MSFT got a patent on the SilkRoute method in 2003. Does anybody from PH (me - PH doesn't exist anymore. From July 6, 2003 ) have the link please? This was the patent used to challenge the VCSY Emily XML Enabler Agent. The XML Enabler Agent demonstrated the ability to do transformations in BOTH directions where SilkRoute only did one direction.

The VCSY/Emily XML Enabler Agent received an allowance from the Patent Office March 29, 2006 saying the XML Enabler Agent patent is granted.

Just a week before that Microsoft announced Vista would be delyaed.

More than likely SilkRoute was something they were using starting around 2000 and probably building into their software development. Just funny I think maybe irony that VCSY announced the XMLAgent two weeks before Microsoft announced Hailstorm in 2001. And here it is 5 years later and Microsoft is takign a swan dive into the technology toilet again and the XMLAgent is going to be granted in a few more weeks.

Some Vista background:

WinFS is a way to make organize and manage relationships in files the way you would make records in a database. I think WinFS probably had the SilkRoute stuff in it. Why would they not? They had to move data around from one form to another and or to XML and I dont think they had many other patents for that sort of thing. Anybody else?

Microsoft axed WinFS out of Longhorn (Vista) in 2004 - this is a writeup from January 2004 (when WinFS was a go) updated in August 2004 to show when WinFS was pulled.

Now theyre a go again. Theyre looking for people.
"Hopefully by now, most of you have already seen some of the very cool WinFS demos...Microsoft recently made a decision to productize some of these ideas into a new application"

And there is probably more to the story than anybody knows why Vista and a bunch of other things happened and why Lukovsky and others headed for the hills. Read for yourself and decide. I know what I think.,1995,1820607,00.asp
Wednesday, May 25, 2005
The 'Dirty Little Secret' About Longhorn
By Mary Jo Foley

Contrary to what many believe, Longhorn won't be built on top of the .Net Framework, we hear. But that might not be a bad thing.

Developers say there's a dirty little secret about Longhorn that few Softies are discussing publicly: Longhorn won't be based on the .Net Framework.

We're still expecting that the .Net Framework will ship with Longhorn ? on the CD and/or "in the box" in some way. But the .Net Framework won't be at Longhorn's core, we hear.

Will Microsoft ever go public on this shift? Or are the Redmondians hoping this is just more insider baseball that will end up relegated to the "ancient history" files? One thing we know is this: Developers are talking. So, what's your two cents on how Longhorn's shaping up?
Anything in the shell related to .NET was ripped out
Anything that was based on .NET as an end-user feature was ripped out, for one. Lots of snazzy contact and shell features using Avalon and such. It was pretty and fun, but you can't go and have your shell based on .NET at this point. Maybe with CLR 3.0.

Lots of good people moved on after that decision.

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[Let's move on, shall we?]


I got that one.

No you didn't, you were pointing at the Buick.

Did so.

Did not. 

Mama Darlene's getting car sick.

(its going to be a long trip to visit grandpa) 

... waging war on a daily basis...

... walk in through this lovely foyer into the pastel sunken living room. Bob calls it the tripinsa... Oh my! What a bold statement THAT was ha ha ha.

... defeated Nazism and Fascism for all time. Or did it?...

... necking with Junior, her one true love in the drive in. They embraced each other tenderly. 'Oh Junior. I want to have your baby, sugar. What's so hard to understand about that?' 'But Wanda Lynn, I ain't ready to settle down. I learnt me how to cipher. And they says a good education will take you far. I got airplanes to fly and fish to catch and scalps to take.' 'But Junior sweety you can do that... just stay closer to home, that's all ... and I can make us a real home with a weedeater and a crockpot and a tv and a bed. You remember what the bed is for, don't you junior? It's for making...


Yes ma'am. Darlene wanted to watch it. 

Darlene has her daddy's helmet on her head. How can she be watching anything?

She said she got used to it being so dark.

Mama? Is that a police man?


... and in Zooperior Court of the State of Fuzzy Nuglets: 

AOL-Time Warner and Chinadotcom (CDC) parted ways beginning in earnest in late July:

Negotiations between chinadotcom and AOL July 18, 2003 09:33:00 AM ET
HONG KONG, July 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- chinadotcom corporation (Nasdaq: CHINA; website: announced today that chinadotcom and America Online, Inc. ("AOL") are seeking to negotiate the resolution of all outstanding claims that chinadotcom has against AOL and related parties, as well as the disposition of AOL's existing holding of 6,795,200 shares of chinadotcom. In addition, AOL attempted to exercise a portion of its warrant to acquire additional shares in chinadotcom. The current negotiations also encompass the attempted exercise of a portion of AOL's warrant. There can be no assurance that any agreement will be reached with respect to any of these matters, and even if an agreement is reached, there can be no assurance of the effect of such agreement on chinadotcom or its stock price.

And a scant 10 days later (things happen so FAST these days):
Chinadotcom, AOL reach settlement Reuters, 07.28.03, 9:34 AM ET
CHICAGO, July 28 (Reuters) - Chinadotcom Corp. (nasdaq: CHINA - news - people) said on Monday it has resolved claims it has against America Online, the Internet division of AOL Time Warner Inc. Inc. (nyse: CHINA - news - people)

Under the settlement terms, AOL would be able to sell 6.795 million of Chinadotcom shares. AOL's two warrants to buy more Chinadotcom shares would be canceled.
chinadotcom Shareholding Disposal by AOL Completed
September 25, 2003
HONG KONG September 25, 2003 chinadotcom corporation (NASDAQ: CHINA; website: announced today that based upon SEC filings, America Online, Inc. ("AOL") has disposed of its entire holding of 6,795,200 chinadotcom shares as of September 11, 2003.

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Chinadotcom expressed gladness to be free of the AOL-Time Warner relationship which tied them to the pursuit of entertainment bent portal work in favor of the pursuit of manufacturing and mobile software efforts:
"We're pleased to have an overhang on our stock removed and finality reached on this issue, and look forward to pursuing our software strategy focused on two of the fastest growing sectors in China -- export manufacturing and mobile applications," Chinadotcom Chief Financial Officer Daniel Widdicombe said in a statement.
"Barry Diller Is Focused"
Barry Diller and AOL-Time Warner strategies

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:48 PM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 10 May 2007 12:54 PM EDT
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Tuesday, 1 May 2007
What the hell could go wrong? Hey, y'all, watch this!
Mood:  accident prone
Now Playing: 'Picking Up Pawpaws' Innocent school children uncover plot to hack community fruit tree down. Wan Ton Hooy (non-fiction)

Yeah. THAT's rich. 

April 30th, 2007

My lunch with Ray Ozzie and Scott Guthrie

Posted by Ryan Stewart @ 2:30 pm Categories: Rich Internet Applications, Microsoft, Mix07

Ray OzzieJeff Sandquist of Microsoft set up a lunch for a few of us with Scott Guthrie and Ray Ozzie here at Mix07. It was a great group of people including Richard MacManus (his thoughts on the lunch are up here), Walt Ritscher, Lee Brimelow, Evan Williams, Linda Weinman, and a couple of other people. Overall it was a great session, we started off on some developer-centric conversation and then went into strategy with Ray.

I asked about the inclusion of the Dynamic Language Runtime, something Scott announced during his part of the keynote and something that garnered a bit of attention. I asked Scott what strategic point of it was and whether or not their developer base had been clamoring for the ability to write Ruby against the CLR. The answer to the second was 'not really'. It's compelling for them, but wasn't a huge draw. The answer to the first was that Microsoft wants to bring as many people as possible into the CLR and give them the freedom to choose what language they want. That's a good story, and I'm curious to see what the end result. Evan Williams, the creator of Twitter, one of the most popular Ruby applications out there said it was going to be great for his team because they could build a Silverlight application on top of Twitter using the same skillset they used to build Twitter itself.

The strategy questions were more interesting. In particular when Lee Brimelow asked Scott whether or not we could see an Apollo-type desktop client for Silverlight now that the CLR runs on Mac. Scott said no, but that precipitated a conversation about "in browser" experiences and "out of browser" experiences (I'm not sure Ray or Scott totally get Apollo). Ray said there is a lot of discussion within Microsoft about what applications should run in the browser and how important close ties to the operating system were for big applications. His insight here was excellent, as the founder of Lotus Notes, he talked about how they tried to create an "abstraction layer" so that they could be cross platform. He said focusing on that abstraction layer made them mediocre on all platforms. With WPF Microsoft gives developers a sandbox with all the trappings of a full desktop application, something users know and understand. With browser applications, he said that the model was a bit restrictive for full applications and said Silverlight will focus on enhancing the web experience and not trying to replicate the desktop. There was some talk of Apollo, but as I said, Ray didn't quite seem to grasp that Apollo applications are really desktop experiences with the ties that he mentioned being important. It will be interesting to see how that plays out between Adobe and Microsoft.

This was my first chance to actually chat and listen to Ray in a closer setting. I was really impressed. I think he really believes in the Rich Internet Application space, even if the implementation of the applications differs. I think it's going to be a good contrast for developers who are looking at the various RIA offerings. Flash and Silverlight aren't clones of each other. In many ways, they differ in their approach to enhancing the web.


Maybe, but I doubt it. Ray Ozzie is a smart and savvy guy. You can see it in the way he combs his hair. He gets Apollo alright. He has to or he wouldn't be Ray Ozzie. Any kid with a deterministic little heart and access to a whiteboard can get Apollo. What Ray doesn't get is that it doesn't belong to the company he threw in with. We all done it, doc. We all step in the doo. Try our best, we do. Do be do be do. That's the cycles and circles of friends and acquaintences that lure us in further and further where our egos should never go. Like slime on a pipe, ego is. As long as you see it from a distance... maybe a passing car, it's nothing innocuous. Just some gui green. But when you have to 'walk' across that pipe, Maw Dee make dee bed because you gonna be lying in that stuff undernearth the green pipe. And THEN where's your ego?

Uh...Better check with a patent attorney first, Mister Williams. A good one. Oh... and, better make it a good one and not your niece's nephew on your uncle's father's side. 

Or... you COULD inquire as to the standing of that November 2004 promise by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to hold their product clients and customers harmless from any patent lawsuits they might bring upon them due to infringement by MSFT.

You might just want to check the fine print, mon sewer.  I do remember it weren't exactly everybody. Skate, dude. The trick is to not walk but skaaaaattteee.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:26 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 1 May 2007 11:42 PM EDT
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