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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Tuesday, 20 February 2007
Speculating and Debating the Significance of Nuts and Bolts
Mood:  celebratory
Topic: HP and VCSY

Re: What the... who the... what the... who the...?????????
By: Portuno_Diamo on February 20, 2007 at 4:02:58 PM


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: : :
: : : : I find coincidences amusing. Now, truly "empath" definition means a systemic path to interconnection so someone naming a system that is so obviously suited to the name should not be much of a surprise. BUT, the surprise comes when we look at the the historical record.
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: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Looking for "empath registered trademark" brings us this:
: : : : Document is from May, 2002.
: : : : [PDF]
: : : : 6000 WorldMark Enterprise Storage 6289 Fibre Channel Modular Array ...
: : : : File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
: : : : EMPATH is an NCR trademark registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. LSI is a registered trademark of LSI Logic Storage Systems, Inc. ...
: : : : http://www.info.ncr.com/eDownload.cfm?itemid=021480003&redirectfromfle=y - Similar pages
: : : :
: : : : I think the "6000 WorldMark Enterprise Storage 6289 Fibre Channel Modular Array" offered by NCR plays a large part in NCR's approach toward the GSA data consolidation effort.
: : : :
: : : : Again, I believe the names we are seeing are rooted in a much larger conspiracy of like-minded individuals with the ability to keep things to themselves.
: : : :
: : : : But, then, who am I to say?
: : : :
: : : : Now, competitive structures is what will call the ball in this new aggregation of business because if this isn't done fairly and without cries of unfair competition, the poop will take the propellor off the government.
: : : :
: : : : Sooo:
: : : :
: : : : When you stick the "6000" information with similar pages you get this:
: : : :
: : : : http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/09/amr-teradata-ncr-split-biz-logistics-cx_jh_0109tera.html?partner=yahootix
: : : : NCR To Spinoff Teradata
: : : : John Hagerty 01.09.07, 2:15 PM ET
: : : : NCR is splitting into two pieces: one based on its enterprise data warehousing (EDW) product line Teradata, the other its traditional ATM and point-of-sale systems business. The separation is expected sometime in the next six to 12 months, with the transaction expected to result in a tax-free spinoff for existing NCR shareholders.
: : : :
: : : : Data Warehouse one way... ATM/POS the other way. Competitive fairness personified.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : ---
: : : : Aside:
: : : :
: : : : I find this curious:
: : : :
: : : : http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sbQ3t-iwz0AJ:3000newswire.blogs.com/3000_newswire/2005/06/index.html+VCSY+%2B+NCR&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
: : : : June 14, 2005
: : : : A small step back to the old-school HP
: : : : The move looks like the first of perhaps several significant rollbacks to a style that created the HP 3000 and its marketplace. Back in those days of the 1970s, every product line from HP was not only its own division, it often operated as if it were its own company. This was the era that created the ackroymn "CSY," meaning Computer SYstems Division. The HP 3000 sensibility lives on in the vendor at cubicles and desktops where virtual CSY employees (yeah, vCSY'ers, they call themselves) still spend parts of their day on 3000 engineering and planning.
: : : :
: : : : Odd language. Especially when the hardware attached to such language again cements an extra probabilistic conundrum to be "explained", to wit:
: : : :
: : : : HP StorageWorks 3000 Enterprise Virtual Array - HP Business ...
: : : : HP StorageWorks 3000 Enterprise Virtual Array, » Choose another product » Create a personal product profile (Why register?) ...
: : : : h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12169&prodSeriesI... - 57k - Cached - Similar pages
: : : :
: : : : In other words, NCR's 6000 was an answer to the HP 3000. Was their animosity there? Why would the use of "vCSY" be used with such a "yeah, we know it was stupid, but that's what it was." So apparently this Samba deployment vCSY system HP was working on (the 3000 is long gone - retired) was an effort to do mass data deployment on very large machines with many varying operating parameters. (My read from collecting HP references to "vCSY").
: : : :
: : : : Timing? NCR 6000 pdf is from was May 2002. HP 3000? 1999.
: : : :
: : : : ??? Remember our ancestors.
: : : :
: : : : But... since the 3000 is gone, certainly the vCSY'ers are history, right? Nope:
: : : :
: : : : http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:BTXkZtO1ex8J:3000newswire.blogs.com/3000_newswire/migration/index.html+NCR+%2B+VCSY+%2B+wade&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
: : : : February 15, 2006
: : : : Vendors repeat warnings about LFDS corruption
: : : :
: : : : Three vendors with some of the deepest knowledge of HP 3000 databases — HP, Adager and Robelle — have posted fresh messages which update and warn customers about Large File DataSets (LFDS). This change in the 3000's IMAGE/SQL database can cause corruption in datasets greater than 4GB. You might be using LFDS, if you've got a large database, but not be aware of the risk. Or even be aware that your largest datasets now are in this risky format.
: : : :
: : : : That's because LFDS is the new default for large datasets created in IMAGE C.10.00, the database version shipping with MPE/iX 7.5. HP used Jumbo datasets as the default in earlier versions of IMAGE. The vendor gave us an update yesterday on the project to repair this corrupting bug. This is an issue for customers migrating as well as homesteaders. Anyone who continues to run a 3000 with a large database and the most recent MPE/iX release should be aware of the risk.
: : : :
: : : : Messages have also been posted in the last 24 hours by Adager's Alfredo Rego and Robelle's Bob Green about LFDS. Combined with the detailed technical report by Allegro's Stan Sieler in our February NewsWire and on this blog the past two days, these experts present a massive set of reasons to avoid using LFDS, even accidentally. It seems to me like the IMAGE community has waited long enough and is raising its collective voice. Even now, HP says it has pre-released another patch to continue tests of its work on the problem, a project begun in 2004.
: : : :
: : : : Liz Glogowski, HP’s vCSY division escalation manager, replied yesterday to our request for an update.
: : : :
: : : : Posted by Ron Seybold
: : : : February 15, 2006
: : : : at 07:46 AM in Homesteading,
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : blink blink
: : : :
: : : : The old crustbuckets even had their own "escalation manager"? Wow. Data format corruptions. That's a real beatch in database homogeneity, ain't it?
: : : : ---
: : : : Imagine an SGML crew who really knew their stuff and could provide something along the lines of what we see in virtualization of hardware (actually, the more easy method to attack as you have standardized sensing and actuating components in the hardware) and software (virtualize one mainframe's datastore with another mainframe's datastore.
: : : :
: : : : Would you not want a virtualized computer to serve vertical computers? Think through what the phrase says and ascribe a probability that HP would be working on the same concepts at the same time as IBM (and others who apparently fell in and out of favor over the years the technology needed to mature to the early idealistic envisioning) and pick a nickname (referred to with a seemingly sardonic aside in parentheses) so similar to the final build-out core name?
: : : :
: : : : Hmmm. Lots and lots to think about. The timings go way way back. I would think they would since only HP and IBM are the only remaining carcasses of the giants who would have been capable of attempting a data virtualization paradigm back then.
: : : :
: : : : We, of course, have Unisys and Unisys is fronting their own line of mainframe virtualization empowerment. Naturally (I suppose) called "ClearPath":
: : : :
: : : : Unisys + SOA
: : : : Service Oriented Architecture: SOA: Unisys ClearPath Server Mainframes
: : : : Unisys Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) gives you a framework wherein your applications can interact – to exchange messages, transactions and data – no ...
: : : : http://www.unisys.com/products/mainframes/business__agility/service_d_oriented__architecture/index.htm
: : : :
: : : : Oddity of oddities. All is oddity.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : And, if I might add these few Unisys examples:
: : :
: : : These are well done explanations of the role virtualization can play:
: : :
: : : ClearPath Mainframe Servers, Business Agility Application Modernization
: : : http://www.unisys.com/products/mainframes/business__agility/application__modernization/index.htm
: : : Applications written in COBOL currently automate and carry out the business operations of most major commercial, industrial and governmental organizations around the world today. These powerful core business systems have been developed, enhanced and refined over the course of many years, even decades, to support their ongoing and emerging business needs.
: : :
: : : Such applications are major assets and competitive differentiators for their users. Because they contain so much business value, it’s imperative that their core logic and functionality are not lost, but rather that they are further extended.
: : :
: : : The Unisys Application Modernization
: : : program consists of...
: : :
: : : Service methodologies and enabling technologies for achieving greater application agility while adhering to Service Oriented Architecture best practices. We partner with Relativity Technologies solutions to help us deliver a full range of computer-assisted application modernization tasks. The result is a highly effective, application modernization strategy that’s built on visualizing the structure and uncovering the business logic and value of your COBOL applications.
: : :
: : : Our ClearPath Mainframe Server Application Modernization approach and enabling technologies...
: : :
: : : Offer you incremental returns on your investment as you navigate the modernization roadmap, which includes the Service Oriented Architecture enablement of your core business processes.
: : :
: : : To address those business needs affected by COBOL-based applications, Unisys has developed a three-stage process:
: : :
: : : * Discover
: : : * Streamline
: : : * Transform
: : :
: : : Each of these stages deliver specific benefits and a measurable return on your investment.
: : : ---
: : : And, of particular interest is the transform portion:
: : : http://www.unisys.com/products/mainframes/business__agility/application__modernization/transform.htm
: : :
: : : Application Modernization,
: : : TheTransform Stage
: : :
: : : The Transformation stage addresses specific business issues that are typically solved by Web enablement or integration with other applications using middleware.
: : :
: : : Web enablement and integration technologies can deliver immediate business benefits by allowing the sharing of data and application functionality not only with internal users, but also with your partners, suppliers and customers.
: : :
: : : Our ClearPath integration solutions provide you with powerful, industry-standard-based capabilities. Technologies such as Open Distributed Processing, Microsoft .NET, Java, XML, MQSeries and Web services are just some of the options we offer to help you integrate your ClearPath transaction processing systems and databases with other applications, systems and platforms.
: : :
: : : Where appropriate, these solutions are delivered by composite applications linked together as Web services. Web service components may be in the form of wrapped COBOL, J2EE, or .NET. Regardless of the technology platform utilized, your Web services are modular and can therefore be reused. The results are the greatest application flexibility and the most business agility.
: : :
: : : Benefits and ROI at the Transform Stage
: : :
: : : * Enables data sharing and process integration between you and your business partners, suppliers and customers
: : : * Improves data sharing and collaboration among your internal constituencies
: : : * Reduces your customer-care and self-service costs by improving ease of use and end-user satisfaction
: : : * Provides greater access through a variety of media such as PC-based Web browsers and wireless devices
: : : * Eliminates the need for more expensive, custom application programming interfaces (APIs)
: : : ---
: : :
: : : So, we know three modern day mainframe players: NCR, HP and Unisys have had mainframe virtualization efforts in the works for years.
: : :
: : : NCR = EMPATH
: : : HP = vCSY
: : : Unisys = ClearPath
: : :
: : : NCR's and Unisys' virtualization systems are coming to the fore today 2007. HP's effort sank beneath a foamy brine somewhere.
: : :
: : : How odd the oddities and oddible oddbodies.
: : :
: : : My main question is this: Where is HP in Mainframe modernization and virtualization today? The GSA contracts ahead would cry out for a mainframe and SOA/SaaS entry from HP, woodentit? Maybe that's what Microsoft gave HP the millions for. Maybe they're building one in the garage.
: : :______________________________________
: :
: : the battle
: :
: : IBM
: : http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1242458,00.html
: :
: : HP
: : http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2007/070215a.html
: :
: : the battle line----Mainframe
: :
: :
: : http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1239581,00.html
: :
: :
: :
:
: (username deleted)! HA HA. Damn. Why don't you just roll the grenade under the blanket?
:
: HP makes the case for mainframe migration
: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1239581,00.html
: By Matt Stansberry, Site Editor
: 17 Jan 2007 | SearchDataCenter.com
:
: John Pickett, Hewlett-Packard's worldwide mainframe alternative program manager, discusses who should "augment" their mainframes, who should migrate applications to another platform, and who should replace it outright.
:
: What is the main reason to leave the mainframe?
:
:
: BANG
:

OMG So that's were it got left. HP sided with Microsoft somewhere along the line and now, there's no place left to go for Gates. Who else would he use to collaborate with? Sun? LOL. Adobe? HA HA HA Now MSFT is reduced to paying Linux enemies to let them hook up. I thought that kind of thing was illegal in places other than Nevada.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 6:07 PM EST
Updated: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 2:51 PM EDT
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