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Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds
Here we are in history where the cattle have broken into the feed crops. They won't stop eating until the landowner has been consumed. There is no escape. There is only a price to be paid and it will be taken by those who will crap out the landowner's riches into the dirt.
It could have been different. But those who believe they are entitled to power have deluded themselves and left no way of escape.
Do Until:
By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 01:03 PM EDT
Msg. 301979 of 302059
It's time we got down to brass tacks without a distraction. Time to Xray the frog.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 01:33 PM EDT
Msg. 301984 of 302059
If you understood your enemy you wouldn't be so easy to manipulate. That is unless you don't mind the enemy manipulating.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 01:35 PM EDT
Msg. 301985 of 302059
As you can see mirror is unable to answer the questions put to him. He's playing for time so the questions will fade and be buried.
That's how the game is played. If you want to stand in the street to slow the game down fine but TOS is a tool and if you don't use it you become useful as a tool.
I thought people would understand this sort of thing after being around for so long. Unfortunately some people wake up in a new world every day so it takes a while for them to learn.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 01:37 PM EDT
Msg. 301987 of 302059
So mirror how is it Clearmethods is making such obvious headway in what you claim is an obsolete technology? The technology displayed by Clearmethods is a clear indication VCSY's technology is powerful and timely.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 01:46 PM EDT
Msg. 301988 of 302059
And Apple couldn't develop their own synch methods so they had to rip off a student?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/229993/did_apple_steal_a_college_kids_wifi_sync_app.html
What's up with that? When you can you do. When you can't you work. Or you steal?
Synchronization of data is a fundamental part of interoperability. Without synchronization there is no virtualization.
VCSY's patents demonstrate sync as a basic quality. Apple had to delay virtualizing Leopard at the same time Microsoft had to delay virtualizing. Right after VCSY sued Microsoft in 2007.
Ten years is a long long time to show you don't have the goods.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 01:48 PM EDT
Msg. 301989 of 302059
(Reply to 301987 by moonpunk)
Clearmethods are small fry and there are plenty of other similar open source XML-based languages out there. They aren't very popular amongst developers, who dislike working with XML syntax. Homegrown extensions of XML overflooded the IT world years ago, which is one reason why it never caught on all that much, and is also why they had to invent HTML5. You're years behind the times, Portuno.
Emily who?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:03 PM EDT
Msg. 301991 of 302059
(Reply to 301989 by mrrrfk)
mirror "there are plenty of other similar open source XML-based languages"
Show them to us and explain how they do what Clearmethods is able to do.
Clearmethods products are the closest thing to the VCSY IP description publicly seen in the industry. The fact you can't confront that means you haven't gotten your talking points yet. Probably because the guy writing the talking points is stymied and unable to confront so you get left hanging.
Smallfry or not their XML methods are doing things the rest of the industry can't do.
Ray Ozzie thought he could do it with RSS. That fried and the gang that thought they could pull it off are trying something different.
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/glassboard_rock_star_team_regroups_from_rss-land_t.php
Apple can't do it and it shows.
If you can't explain your way out of the situation just say so.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:05 PM EDT
Msg. 301992 of 302059
(Reply to 301989 by mrrrfk)
Clear Methods' Language Gets Cool Greeting
The object-oriented language is being greeted with skepticism by programmers, development tool suppliers, and Web-services consultants.
By Charles Babcock InformationWeek
The notion that the world needs XML as a procedural programming language is being greeted with skepticism by programmers, development tool suppliers, and Web-services consultants.
[...]
http://www.informationweek.com/news/12800989
"XML can be used to express procedural logic. It would be on the verbose side, but it can be done," said Sam Ruby, VP of the Apache Software Foundation, the open-source group that develops the Apache Web server. Ruby is also a member of Apache's XML Project Management Committee--that is, a programmer with the authority to commit new code to the Apache XML project's repository. "I don't see many people wanting to learn such a language. Perhaps such a language could have a niche as the target of code generation ... by a wizard in an IDE," he said in an E-mail response. Ruby is a Java programmer with IBM.
Water code would require the Steam Engine run-time environment. Clear Methods unveiled an upgraded version 3.10 of Steam Engine on July 15.
"A specialized run-time environment is a big minus," Ruby said. That's because the run-time environment must already be installed on target systems where Water code is slated to run, or a user must first download the engine and install it before getting the benefit of Water code, experienced programmers says. Users balk at downloads they don't understand or need approval from higher corporate authority to add to their desktops.
XML as a programming language "is a cute academic idea, but nothing more than that," Brad Young, director of product marketing for Zend Technologies Ltd., said in an E-mail. Zend produces an integrated development environment for the PHP scripting language, one of the Web-site languages that XML procedural logic might replace. "Programmers don't like coding in nested syntax, like XML."
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:06 PM EDT
Msg. 301993 of 302059
(Reply to 301992 by mrrrfk)
XML as a programming language "is a cute academic idea, but nothing more than that," Brad Young, director of product marketing for Zend Technologies Ltd., said in an E-mail. Zend produces an integrated development environment for the PHP scripting language, one of the Web-site languages that XML procedural logic might replace. "Programmers don't like coding in nested syntax, like XML."
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:07 PM EDT
Msg. 301994 of 302059
(Reply to 301992 by mrrrfk)
XML is already "an open standard for storing information and being able to transport it," says Tom Barrett, a partner at PricwaterhouseCoopers and a consultant on Web services. As such, it already includes much of the document-processing and data-movement capabilities that Clear Methods appears to be talking about on its Web site, he says.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/12800989
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:08 PM EDT
Msg. 301995 of 302059
(Reply to 301994 by mrrrfk)
But programmers, software tool suppliers, and Web-services consultants and analysts agreed that until there was a large base of programmers making use of Water, XML as a programming language was likely to be rare encounter on the Web.
"The big catch is developer acceptance," Bloomberg says. "Clear Methods is still pushing the snowball up the hill. It hasn't reached the point where it's rolling down the hill, gathering strength."
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:09 PM EDT
Msg. 301996 of 302059
(Reply to 301992 by mrrrfk)
That article is from July 21, 2003. And yet the list of partners and customers using that technology has grown since the Water language was deleted from wikipedia after you began discussing in on Yahoo.
So come up with something more substantial. Either that or admit you don't know because as the article says "XML can be used to express procedural logic". But you said it can't. And remember "ten years" of development has been popping up in all kinds of places recently where advanced computing using XML as a procedural language is being revealed.
As I've shown I am open to admitting when I'm wrong and I am willing to be shown to be wrong. So let's see how good you are.
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By: danthomas 10 Jun 2011, 02:13 PM EDT
Msg. 301997 of 302059
(Reply to 301992 by mrrrfk)
mrr no date on your post.
I'll post the date for you.
July 21, 2003 10:00 AM
8 yrs old.
how is it doing now?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:15 PM EDT
Msg. 301998 of 302059
(Reply to 301994 by mrrrfk)
That's true of XML as a traditional sense and is the reason the industry has been stagnant since Bil Gate's published his "Digital Decade" speech almost ten years ago. But what we're talking about here is VCSY patents saying they use XML to go beyond the traditional uses to form a basis for an all-XML language for procedures and functions.
VCSY's 6826744 and 7076521 patents show clearly you're wrong because the VCSY material in VCSY v LG and Samsung shows clearly 6826744's methods are used in Android.
I thought you said that idea was obsolete?
So Clearmethods using what can be easily shown to be VCSY IP is being used in MIT and IBM to build advanced systems. We know the basic foundation for IBM's Watson was established at MIT so you have a real problem trying to sweep that work away.
You need to do better than that or your friends will be upset with you.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:16 PM EDT
Msg. 301999 of 302059
(Reply to 301995 by mrrrfk)
Like danthomas points out you always leave off dates in your references. Do you have a problem cutting and pasting article dates?
"until there was a large base of programmers making use of Water, XML as a programming language was likely to be rare encounter on the Web"
Looks like that's in the process of changing. Or can you explain why Water is being used by so many high profile advanced users?
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:17 PM EDT
Msg. 302000 of 3 02059
(Reply to 301996 by moonpunk)
Clearmethods is old news. Like I said, you are years behind the times. Clear Methods is a tiny company working in a niche market of open source XML-based junk that most developers won't go near. Why don't you provide a more current link that says something good about them that isn't from Clearmethods. Oh let me guess; they are working in stealth mode, lol.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:22 PM EDT
Msg. 302001 of 302059
(Reply to 302000 by mrrrfk)
You're years behind because you keep relying on articles that are almost ten years old when Teledyne, IBM, the US Army, the US Air Force, General Dynamics, MIT and others are using XML procedural and functional methods which you claim is obsolete.
There's something wrong with the way you're looking at things obviously.
Stealth? Given that most of the partners and customers are defense oriented I would think they should be working under a stealth operation.
You can try ridicule all you like but it doesn't remove the fact that you don't have anything to show for all your claims of knowledge. Try again.
"Pratt & Whitney is using Steam XML at the core of a mobile, distributed computing architecture to improve both supply chain efficiencies and customer support. Steam XML provides a secure, flexible software platform for their innovative wireless, embedded maintenance system. "
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:30 PM EDT
Msg. 302002 of 302059
It looks like Clear Methods has done very little since 2009 when the 2 founders began working for TextMyFood which I am sure is going to revolutionize the IT industry, LMAO. The Clear Methods website hasn't been updated for years.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:36 PM EDT
Msg. 302004 of 302059
Man cannot live on Water alone, which must explain why the Clear Method founders now work for TextForFood (which is basically an Open Table ripoff.)
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:39 PM EDT
Msg. 302005 of 302059
(Reply to 302002 by mrrrfk)
Oh. So the Clearmethods company has been working with defense contractors for about 7 years and then they went on to work on their own thing in 2009?
That's interesting. So November 2009 is around the time when the Clearmethods founders were able to work out in the public with their IP.
Hmmm. And you claim that means the idea is dead? You said XML languages are all over the place. But then you say developers quit using them about seven years ago.
"Homegrown extensions of XML overflooded the IT world years ago, which is one reason why it never caught on all that much, and is also why they had to invent HTML5."
So all these public developers abandoned an XML version that could do everything they said they wanted and they turned around and invented an HTML version to do what they say they wanted and here we are five years later and HTML still doesn't do what developers could have been doing with XML all this time. That is if those developers could have gotten their hands on it during the time it was being matured with defense contractors.
Do you see how badly that kind of thinking does not make sense?
When something doesn't make sense it means somebody isn't telling the whole story. What are you afraid to say mirror?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:40 PM EDT
Msg. 302006 of 302059
(Reply to 302004 by mrrrfk)
Water as Steam makes clouds.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 02:42 PM EDT
Msg. 302007 of 302059
"Water and Steam have allowed us to consolidate what would normally be multiple code-generating layers of applications into a single software systems architecture approach that is powerful, adaptable and user-friendly.”"
- Dave Loda, founder and manager of the Applied Technologies Group, an internal innovation hub for United Technology's Pratt & Whitney division.
So now point to one of your HTML developers to show they are able to take "multiple code-generating layers of applications into a single software systems architecture".
And may I point something out in that statement? "multiple code-generating layers".
Do you understand what that means?
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:52 PM EDT
Msg. 302008 of 302059
(Reply to 302005 by moonpunk)
Nope. TextMyFood is based on Ruby-on-Rails, a real modern-day programming language, not Water.
Their LinkedIn accounts tell us this:
http://www.linkedin.com/search?
search=¤tCompany=C&company=TextMyFood&sortCriteria=R&keepFacets=
true&goback=%2Efps_PBCK_Michael+plusch_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_
*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_
*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2
(broken link)
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 02:55 PM EDT
Msg. 302009 of 302059
(Reply to 302008 by mrrrfk)
Audrey J. Founder TextMyFood
Privately Held; Hospitality industry
November 2009 – Present (1 year 8 months)
Developed SMS/web-application software in Ruby-on-Rails
http://www.linkedin.com/search?
search=¤tCompany=C&company=TextMyFood&sortCriteria=R&keepFacets=
true&goback=%
2Efps_PBCK_Michael+plusch_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false
_1_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_
*2_*2_*2
(broken link)
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:01 PM EDT
Msg. 302010 of 302059
(Reply to 302008 by mrrrfk)
The whole idea of an XML based programming environment is that the XML commands can wrap around any other language or code modules so the idea the Water founders are using nothing but ROR is pretty far fetched.
By the way "2010" was only six months ago. And you're saying the founders did nothing else from 2009 onward? Why do you think that's the case? Evidence? I would say the evidence shows MIT is using Water and Steam and has made great strides in using XML as a procedural and functional processing language. That's why IBM's Watson uses the XML-based foundation from MIT.
Your claim that XML based programming somehow mysteriously "died" years ago but continues to show up today doesn't make sense.
I really do wish you had experience and knowledge in this area so there could be a real conversation instead of all your specious dodges.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 03:04 PM EDT
Msg. 302011 of 302059
It only takes a few minutes of online dd to prove Portuno's BS to be wrong. I just can't resist raining water on his parade, sometimes. LOL.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 03:07 PM EDT
Msg. 302012 of 302059
(Reply to 302010 by moonpunk)
Don't try to change the subject. Tell us more about how Water is being used in TextMyFood. Oh right, it isn't, you just made that up because you saw that the Clear Methods founders are working their now, where Ruby-on-Rails is the dev platform. Oops!
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:15 PM EDT
Msg. 302013 of 302059
(Reply to 302011 by mrrrfk)
Nothing you've supplied pulls you out of the hole. Clearmethods along with all their partners and customers have been using the closest thing to VCSY's IP since 2001 and all the way to 2010 and you claim the founders are now using RoR exclusive of any of their techniques after all that time.
What kind of idiots to you take people for mirror? Is life that easy for you that you can tell people something that doesn't make sense and they just say "OK" and walk on?
http://xml-simple.rubyforge.org/
The whole idea is to be able to use XML based concepts to wrap code and make the code agnostic. That's what the VCSY patents show. I would say Clearmethods has to honor the VCSY patents and patent pending work in public until Wade is ready to say so in public so their use of RoR isn't so odd or difficult to understand to me.
Work between the two should be interchangeable. Apparently you have a real problem understanding what XML code means. That's to be expected I suppose but it doesn't excuse you making things up.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:20 PM EDT
Msg. 302014 of 302059
(Reply to 302008 by mrrrfk)
mirror You know nobody wants to accuse you of trickery but you've already said you enjoy lying because you think you're good at it so would you mind cutting and pasting the content from this link you supplied?
http://www.linkedin.com/search?
search=¤tCompany=C&company=TextMyFood&sortCriteria=R&keepFacets=
true&goback=%
2Efps_PBCK_Michael+plusch_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false
_1_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2
_*2_*2
(broken link)
It would help everybody to know what was said there.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:38 PM EDT
Msg. 302015 of 302059
(Reply to 302014 by moonpunk)
And if anyone else has access to Linkedin please post the content of the link mirror posted.
Meanwhile this from the same article mirror used.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/12800989
Clear Methods' Language Gets Cool Greeting
The object-oriented language is being greeted with skepticism by programmers, development tool suppliers, and Web-services consultants.
By Charles Babcock InformationWeek
July 21, 2003 10:00 AM
"Water is a full-featured object-oriented programming language, expressed in XML. It does more than Java does," says Jason Bloomberg, an analyst with Zap Think, an XML-oriented research group. It was designed to include security measures in the code so that it can move safely over the network. Water has built-in restrictions that prohibit it from calling files off a user's hard drive or changing the system software where it resides, he adds. Because it uses XML syntax, "it's not learning a new language for seasoned developers. They're already conversant in with XML," Bloomberg notes.
So what's the problem? We all have to wait until 2022 for HTML5 to do what could be done back in 2003?
Does that make sense to anybody? ANYBODY?
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 03:44 PM EDT
Msg. 302016 of 302059
Careers at TextMyFood
If you would like to apply for any of the openings posted below, please send your résumé and a cover letter to jobs@textmyfood.com. Phone calls or recruiter inquiries are not welcome.
Software Engineer
Location: Boston, MA
This position is responsible for software engineering, design, and development of client and server-side TextMyFood software modules. Tasks include writing functional specifications, design documentation, coding, unit testing, debugging, integration, performance tuning, and maintenance of assigned software modules. Provides information to documenters, testers and customer service personnel on features and functionality of software modules. Provide technical support with complex field issues. Covers all responsibilities of the Software Engineer position. May involve some on site work with clients. Other duties as assigned. Acts as individual contributor as well as team member. Usually works with little supervision, conferring with others in the department on unusual or extremely complex matters. Assignments are broad in nature, usually requiring originality and ingenuity. Has appreciable latitude for un-reviewed action. May provide guidance, assistance, and technical leadership to lower level software engineers on more complex/large projects. Errors may cause major costs or significant disruption to operations. Able to work effectively with product marketing and other TextMyFood personnel to clarify functional requirements, review software designs, etc. Able to explain software functionality from a user’s or customer’s perspective. Occasionally designs and presents technical presentations to a variety of audiences. Interacts internally/externally on an as needed basis to exchange information.
JOB DESCRIPTION
Bachelors degree in technical discipline (ideally in computer science or engineering), or equivalent experience. 2+ years of software design and development experience. Knowledge of appropriate programming languages, databases, and/or operating system technology, specifically including:
Ruby
JQuery
Ruby on Rails
CSS
JavaScript
JSON
HTML5
REST Web services
mySQL
UI development
iPhone experience desirable, but not required
http://www.textmyfood.com/SWJobDescription.html
- - - -
Gee, I see HTML5, but no Water or XML.
Hmmmmmmmm.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:50 PM EDT
Msg. 302017 of 302059
(Reply to 302016 by mrrrfk)
That's it? THAT is your "proof"? How is it you take so little to "prove" what you believe but you absolutely refuse to consider a common sense explanation.
Why would they ask for somebody with experience with Water if they could teach any experienced developer what they own in a short time?
What is it with you?
"Bachelors degree in technical discipline (ideally in computer science or engineering), or equivalent experience. 2+ years of software design and development experience. Knowledge of appropriate programming languages, databases, and/or operating system technology, specifically including:
Ruby
JQuery
Ruby on Rails
CSS
JavaScript
JSON
HTML5
REST Web services
mySQL
UI development
iPhone experience"
All that modern experience and you think that person couldn't begin using something like Water from the moment they sat at their desk.
No wonder you didn't want to include the content in your original post.
Come on mirror. You have to do better than that. A kid can come up with a better ruse than that.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 03:53 PM EDT
Msg. 302018 of 302059
(Reply to 302016 by mrrrfk)
You also fail to account for the fact Water is described in Clearmethods literature as a rapid prototyping language. I would expect that to be the stage all maturing development is done in defense environments to prove out the language's advantages over the course of time.
Are you ready to actually have a mature discussion about all this or are you going to do nothing but run around the bush in hopes you can dodge out?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:07 PM EDT
Msg. 302019 of 302059
Why are you running over to Yahoo instead of dealing with the questions here mirror? Can't answer? Don't have a clue? Talked yourself into a hole?
How about staying here for a while and giving everyone a chance to watch how you work. I'm sure they'll all be really impressed.
http://waterlanguage.org/
"The language is as easy as BASIC and as powerful as LISP."
"...by programming in XML syntax with Water, you can streamline the creation of complex Web services–for example, how a complete Web service can be implemented in one line of code."
That's what a very high level language should be. It's the kind of thing Emily accomplishes. There's no doubt in my mind Wade knows all about Clearmethods and they've had some form of accommodation working for them to do so much work with US Defense and IBM at MIT.
So where's the "proof" in your LinkedIn post mirror? You didn't show any.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:15 PM EDT
Msg. 302020 of 302059
(Reply to 302010 by moonpunk)
mirror This is from 2008.
I would think you would be excited to see this kind of thing given it would mesh perfectly with HTML5. It would give immediate high level automation capabilities to your favorite HTML5 Graphic User Interface.
http://waterlanguage.org/water_b-tree_2008f.pdf
In fact I don't see why an XML based code would be such a problem since any code module could be tagged and used for automation and control using something like Water.
But you don't like that at all. You say the only reasonable way for the software industry and their partners and customers to perform automation functions is to wait until Web Workers is accepted by a mountain of developers. You know. The same argument you claim stopped XML coding dead back in 2003. But we know you're wrong from what we've seen now.
VCSY IP is alive and well as demonstrated by what Clearmethods has done and demonstrated by the whitepaper descriptions of a much more effective and proficient use of developer time over existing traditional programming languages.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 04:18 PM EDT
Msg. 302021 of 302059
(Reply to 302019 by moonpunk)
Portuno, when are you gonna supply some current links from someone other than Clear Methods to hype Clear Methods? LOL.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 04:19 PM EDT
Msg. 302022 of 302059
About Clear Methods Inc
Clear Methods Inc in Cambridge, MA is a private company categorized under Website Design Service. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.
http://www.manta.com/c/mm3491n/clear-methods-inc
Even VCSY is bigger than Clear Methods. In all fairness, mantra.com was launched in 2005, so this info might be a few years old, but the fact is, the founders of TINY Clear Methods are now working for TextMyFood to put some food on their tables.
LMAO!
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:24 PM EDT
Msg. 302023 of 302059
(Reply to 302021 by mrrrfk)
You can ask portuno that on Yahoo but I would say when are you going to produce some more recent articles slamming XML based programming? 2003? Really. All the information I showed with XML at work is as close as 2010. What happened to all that "abandoned" work you claim happened?
AND when are you going to come up with a critique of Clearmethods IP from somebody other than Clearmethods competitors?
https://www.youtube.com/user/< A=""> color="#ff0020">ClearMethods
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:26 PM EDT
Msg. 302025 of 302059
(Reply to 302022 by mrrrfk)
LMAO
<>https://www.youtube.com/user/< A=""> color="#ff0020">ClearMethods#p/u/1/IT8vVAFXJGw
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 04:31 PM EDT
Msg. 302026 of 302059
(Reply to 302025 by moonpunk)
That link is also from ClearMethods. Try again.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:36 PM EDT
Msg. 302027 of 302059
(Reply to 302026 by mrrrfk)
Doesn't matter. It's reality. A reality you say doesn't exist. In fact you claim all that kind of work ended back in 2003 so everyone had to invent HTML5.
How wrong how wrong you are.
So when are you going to show me some examples of HTML5 that do what Water shows it can do? Come on mirror. Something small. I know HTML5 must be out there in secret somewhere doing what XML could do in 2003. There must be. Either that or you're trying to pull the wool over everbody's eyes here.
So let's see your examples. Chop chop little guy. You've been running long enough.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 04:50 PM EDT
Msg. 302028 of 302059
Top Programming Languages for 2011
Java has dominated the programming jobs rankings for the last several years and remains dominant going into 2011. According to Simply Hired, since April 2009, Java jobs increased 52 percent, Perl jobs increased 33 percent, C# jobs increased 52 percent, Objective C jobs increased 60 percent (however, a search for "Objective-C" showed a 207 percent increase in jobs), Visual Basic jobs increased 112 percent, JavaScript jobs increased 76 percent, Ruby jobs increased 78 percent, Python jobs increased 69 percent, C jobs increased 11 percent and PHP jobs increased 58 percent.
<>http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Java-C-C-Top-18-Programming-Languages-for-2011-480790/
Where are all the XML-based programming languages?
portuno/moonpunk said they were being widely adopted. Bzzzt! WRONG.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 04:58 PM EDT
Msg. 302029 of 302059
(Reply to 302028 by mrrrfk)
Dodge and weave. Run and hide. Everything you're pointing to could be done years ago by little tiny Clearmethods hiding in MIT working on defense projects.
It's a markup language that does what HTML5 won't be able to do for many many years to come.
So why? How is it Water being worked in MIT for the defense industry could already do all the things you so proudly claim HTML5 will one day do? I would think you would be really thrilled to see XML markup pulling off what all those other languages could do. It would mean HTML5 could then easily load up all those methods and be used just like HTML.
Isn't that what you wanted? Isn't that what Steve Jobs wanted? Isn't that what all your developer buddies wanted? How is it when you're handed something in 2003 you all cry that's not what you want and you invent HTML5 to one day in 2022 do what XML could do?
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By: johnnnyri 10 Jun 2011, 04:59 PM EDT
Msg. 302030 of 302059
(Reply to 302028 by mrrrfk)
mrrk
how does it feel to be right anout this POS stock for 11 years?
if you were a good guy you would teach all these moron pimps some of your vast technical knowledge.
you are one of the very few honest posters here. this shines through daily like a brilliant star.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 05:00 PM EDT
Msg. 302031 of 302059
(Reply to 302030 by johnnnyri)
johnnyri How does it feel to have such a putz for a hero? Maybe you like that kind of thing.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 05:01 PM EDT
Msg. 302032 of 302059
(Reply to 302029 by moonpunk)
"Everything you're pointing to could be done years ago by little tiny Clearmethods hiding in MIT working on defense projects. "
Ahh, when you can't back up your BS, there's always the stealth argument. Yeah, it's all happening in "hiding". LOL. Pathetic.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 05:05 PM EDT
Msg. 302033 of 302059
(Reply to 302032 by mrrrfk)
No. Just saying what Clearmethods said back in 2003.
How is it when you can't reply you always try to change the subject?
Show us an example of HTML5 doing what Water was doing in 2003.
Heck I'll give you a break. Show us an example of HTML5 doing what Water was doing in 2007.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 05:14 PM EDT
Msg. 302034 of 302059
(Reply to 302033 by moonpunk)
Water wasn't doing much of anything in 2003, and it isn't being used for much of anything now. The creators of Water have been working for TextMyFood since 2009, which BTW uses HTML5 along other technologies like Ruby-on-Rails. HTML5 is the designated standard for Web application development. Why do you insist on living in the past? Nobody cares about Water, except you.
BTW, the bostonwater.org group went defunct and haven't had a meeting in over a year.They are all probably programming in Ruby and learning HTML5 now. LOL.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 05:37 PM EDT
Msg. 302036 of 302059
(Reply to 302034 by mrrrfk)
Actually the language was functional in 2003 and HTML5 is still struggling.
Everybody here cares about finding out how VCSY's technology would work. Clearmethods Water/Steam is the closest we can find to fitting what the VCSY patents say. It's a much easier language because it only requires a few lines to do what it takes four times in javascript to do.
But what do you care right? You're a developer and the more lines of code you have to write the more you get paid so I can see why you're fighting this so hard.
The web industry needs a new way to program and markup programming seems to be what they want. MIT seems to have settled on using XML. You developers seem to not know how to use XML. "Too hard" you say. So you have to have something made for you so you can work.
Meanwhile defense contractors are doing with XML what you claim HTML5 is supposed to do. That's what I've suspected VCSY IP has been doing all along. HTML5 was made to attempt to compete. So far nothing.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 06:15 PM EDT
Msg. 302042 of 302059
mirror HTML5 examples please?
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 06:31 PM EDT
Msg. 302043 of 302059
(Reply to 302042 by moonpunk)
moonpunk,
HTML5 is not a programming language, and doesn't try to be. It is a markup language with hooks and built-in API's so real programmers can use real programming languages with it, depending on what language is the best fit. Developers know better than to try and use a mark-up language like XML or HTML to do intense logic or automation. HTML5 in conjunction with Java, javascript, C++, perl, ruby, etc. is what developers are migrating towards. The XML-based programming fad has been mostly abandoned, though there is still some of that junk still around, of course. XML will continue to be mostly used for what it was designed for, simple text data management.
You need to get out of the past, Mr. Visionary. LOL.
Emily who?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 06:37 PM EDT
Msg. 302044 of 302059
(Reply to 302043 by mrrrfk)
"and doesn't try to be"
That's not what you said all last year. You even point to Web Workers to show that HTML5 is intended to run automation. Didn't you argue all that time that HTML5 was going to take over automation using web applications?
Strange. I could swear that's what you were saying all last year. Have you changed your tune again?
"The XML-based programming fad has been mostly abandoned, though there is still some of that junk still around, of course."
Yeah. In MIT. In the US Air Force. In the US Army. In IBM. In Teledyne. In General Dynamics.
I guess you don't read much. Maybe that's why you don't know these things.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 06:43 PM EDT
Msg. 302045 of 302059
(Reply to 302043 by mrrrfk)
mirror says "The XML-based programming fad has been mostly abandoned, though there is still some of that junk still around, of course. XML will continue to be mostly used for what it was designed for, simple text data management."
Somebody needs to tell that to the US Government. Somebody sold them a load of goods. Contact mirror and he'll tell all of you where you went wrong.
LOL
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By: interwovenkills 10 Jun 2011, 06:45 PM EDT
Msg. 302046 of 302059
(Reply to 302044 by moonpunk)
moonpunk,
HTML5's web workers feature is intended to allow scripts written in JavaScript (or other languages) to run in the background (i.e. automation) but HTML5 calls and coordinates those scripts, but the code that actually does the background script logic is written in a real programming language and the results can be passed back to the HTML5 user if necessary.
Must I teach you everything? I suggest you read up on HTML5, since you are supposed to be a visionary tech guru.
Computing with JavaScript Web Workers
Web Workers are, undoubtedly, the coolest new feature to arrive in the latest version of web browsers. Web Workers allow you to run JavaScript in parallel on a web page, without blocking the user interface.
Normally in order to achieve any sort of computation using JavaScript you would need to break your jobs up into tiny chunks and split their execution apart using timers. This is both slow and unimpressive (since you can't actually run anything in parallel - more information on this in How JavaScript Timers Work).
With our current situation in mind, let's dig in to Web Workers.
Web Workers
The Web Worker recommendation is partially based off of the prior work done by the Gears team on their WorkerPool Module. The idea has since grown and been tweaked to become a full recommendation.
A 'worker' is a script that will be loaded and executed in the background. Web Workers provide a way to do this seamlessly, for example:
new Worker("worker.js");
The above will load the script, located at 'worker.js', and execute it in the background.
There are some HUGE stipulations, though:
Workers don't have access to the DOM. No document, getElementById, etc. (The notable exceptions are setTimeout, setInterval, and XMLHttpRequest.)
Workers don't have direct access to the 'parent' page.
With these points in mind the big question should be: How do you actually use a worker and what is it useful for?
You use a worker by communicating with it using messages. All browsers support passing in a string message (Firefox 3.5 also supports passing in JSON-compatible objects). This message will be communicated to the worker (the worker can also communicate messages back to the parent page). This is the extent to which communication can occur.
The message passing is done using the postMessage API, working like this:
var worker = new Worker("worker.js");
// Watch for messages from the worker
worker.onmessage = function(e){
// The message from the client:
e.data
};
worker.postMessage("start");
The Client:
onmessage = function(e){
if ( e.data === "start" ) {
// Do some computation
done()
}
};
function done(){
// Send back the results to the parent page
postMessage("done");
}
This particular message-passing limitation is in place for a number of reasons: It keeps the child worker running securely (since it can't, blatantly, affect a parent script) and it keeps the parent page thread-safe (having the DOM be thread safe would be a logistical nightmare for browser developers).
Right now Web Workers are implemented by Firefox 3.5 and Safari 4. They've also landed in the latest Chromium nightlies. Most people would balk when hearing this (only two released browsers!) but this shouldn't be a concern. Workers allow you to take a normal piece of computation and highly parallelize it. In this way you can easily have two versions of a script (one that runs in older browsers and one that runs in a worker, if it's available). Newer browsers will just run that much faster.
Some interesting demos have already been created that utilize this new API.
http://ejohn.org/blog/web-workers/
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 06:51 PM EDT
Msg. 302047 of 302059
(Reply to 302046 by interwovenkills)
Oh look it's mirror posting with another Raging Bull username. I thought you said you don't do that mirror? Getting desperate? Desperate enough to risk being banned from Raging Bull? That would probably be what you want since you could tell your bakers you can't post anymore.
By the way your claims about Watson are a distorted half truth as usual. The analytics might be written in languages like Java and C++ but the underlying foundation for Watson's semantic data is done in OWL.
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_V/threadview?bn=33693&tid=50636&mid=50654
You need to apologize for trying to trick people reading your posts.
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By: moonpunk
10 Jun 2011, 07:01 PM EDT
Rating: You rated it:
Msg. 302048 of 302059
(Reply to 302046 by interwovenkills)
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%
29/Stocks_V/threadview?m=tm&bn=33693&tid=54789&mid=54789&tof=-
1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1&p=0rzNbl_AWsCcsHzzFwT8o.fP675LvYBl87NbsLlPeIf1e8xpL
RCeUuc-
(broken link)
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 07:03 PM EDT
Msg. 302049 of 302059
(Reply to 302048 by moonpunk)
mirror We can just let people read your posts in that and other threads to know what kind of person they're dealing with. People should put you on ignore to keep from having to try to tell what's truth and what's deception. Oh and they should ignore Interwovenkills because it's simply you in another username. And that's something that is definitely a Terms of Service violation.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 07:16 PM EDT
Msg. 302050 of 302059
(Reply to 302049 by moonpunk)
Portuno,
Where does it say that using a new name is a TOS offense? It is alway pretty obvious who I am, just like it is always obvious who you are. I'm starting to get tired of mrrrfk, aren't you? Don't worry, I'm not trying to trick you. LOL.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 08:26 PM EDT
Msg. 302051 of 302059
(Reply to 302008 by mrrrfk)
mirror So you lied to people? Really? You thought you could get away with it? Seriously? Who do you think you are?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 08:32 PM EDT
Msg. 302052 of 302059
(Reply to 302008 by mrrrfk)
This is what you said on post 302008:
You are replying to mrrrfk's message, shown below: (Scroll past this message) By: mrrrfk
10 Jun 2011, 02:52 PM EDT Msg. 302008 of 302051
(Msg. is a reply to 302005 by moonpunk.) Nope. TextMyFood is based on Ruby-on-Rails, a real modern-day programming language, not Water.
Their LinkedIn accounts tell us this:
http://www.linkedin.com/search?
search=¤tCompany=C&company=TextMyFood&sortCriteria=R&keepFacets=true&g
oback=%
2Efps_PBCK_Michael+plusch_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_
R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_
*2
(broken link)
When you go to that link it says this:
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DO YOU SEE RUBY ON RAILS THERE? No. Why? Did you intend to deceive readers? Or was this just another of your careless "accidents"?
No wonder you posted what you did when I asked somebody to open up that link. You really think people are stupid don't you?
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 08:33 PM EDT
Msg. 302053 of 302059
You people really need to think every time you open a post by mrrrfk aka Interwovenkills. Anybody who takes him seriously is nothing but a scammer
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 08:39 PM EDT
Msg. 302054 of 302059
(Reply to 302052 by moonpunk)
moonpunk,
Try the founder's link, Audrey J, and you will see the references to RoR. The ClearMethods dudes work for him now. Audry J is the founder of TextMyFood.
To get to it directly, try:
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?
id=3944414&authType=OUT_OF_NETWORK&authToken=hYye&locale=en_US&srchid=
1a0ce680-0217-48e1-a63f-10d840f3ab89-
0&srchindex=2&srchtotal=4&goback=%
2Efps_PBCK_Michael+plusch_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_R
_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2%
2Efps_PBCK_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_TextMyFood_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_R_tru
e_*1_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2&pvs=p
s&trk=pp_profile_name_link
(broken link)
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By: dartanyion 10 Jun 2011, 08:43 PM EDT
Msg. 302055 of 302059
(Reply to 302050 by mrrrfk)
I really hate to break it to you mrrrfk's but if we click on the TOS(triangle) one of the selections is multiple aliases, so "yes" it is a TOS offense...
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By: stockwabbit 10 Jun 2011, 08:48 PM EDT
Msg. 302057 of 302059
(Reply to 302055 by dartanyion)
LOL...........
Thump.
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By: mrrrfk 10 Jun 2011, 08:51 PM EDT
Msg. 302058 of 302059
(Reply to 302055 by dartanyion)
dartanyion, thanks for letting me know. I don't TOS people much so I didn't see that. The actual Terms & Conditions link at the bottom of this page doesn't mention multiple aliases. I don't think so, anyway - it's freaking long! LOL.
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By: moonpunk 10 Jun 2011, 08:53 PM EDT
Msg. 302059 of 302059
Don't report him just yet. Let's keep him around. It's fun to see just how much he doesn't know.
And to make sure nothing is left misunderstood.
don't ask
a-ok
vegas lucky
accident prone
hug me
d'oh