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Monday, 9 March 2009
The latter half of my Yahoo posting history
Topic: Notable Opinions

For some reason I can't access my Yahoo posts prior to March 23, 2008.

I'm posting this so the reader can at least thumb through posts from March 2008 and decide for themselves who's who.


This is a good place to start:

The skeptic's view: 

and my response:


Of course, we all know Microsoft settled with VCSY the day before the Markman Hearing of July 25, 2008.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 5:11 PM EDT
Updated: Monday, 9 March 2009 5:23 PM EDT
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Saturday, 13 September 2008
Slappin' the Puck
Mood:  suave
Now Playing: Rubber Duck - Women is offended by amorous advances on her feathered pet (hockey highlights)
Topic: Notable Opinions

Sorry for the intrusion but I noticed this post recently and decided to edit it a bit to make it more appealing to the masses general.


Donald Duck and Daisy Duck were spending the night together in a Hotel room and Donald wanted to have sex with Daisy.

The first thing Daisy asked was, 'Do you have a condom?'

Donald frowned and said, 'No.'

Daisy told Donald that if he didn't get a condom, they could not have sex.

'Maybe they sell them at the front desk,' she suggested.

So Donald went down to the lobby and asked the hotel clerk if they had condoms.

'Yes, we do,' the clerk said and pulled a box out from under the counter and gave it to Donald.

The clerk asked, 'Wozuld you like me to put them on your bill?


'No!' Donald quacked, I'll thuffocate! 

And now we return to our originally laid out program. Sorry for the interruption. If I had known I would have tidied up the p......


Oh. Right. Sorry. I'll just picl up and move me little bucket here and you folks have a nice knight. Ya'll hear? 


Well worth knowing and saving.

By: lumster50
13 Sep 2008, 12:23 AM EDT

Msg. 225271
Revised version:

This is what we have:(By Lumster50)
(Nice series of posts lump!)

The USPTO granted the Company a patent (No. 6,826,744) for an invention for “System and Method for Generating Web Sites in an Arbitrary Object Framework” on November 30, 2004. The Company has filed for a Continuation in Part for this patent to pursue possible additional derivative patents. This patent is the foundation of the Company’s product, SiteFlash ™, and forms the basis of the ResponseFlash™, NewsFlash™ and AffiliateFlash™ products. The USPTO granted the Company a patent (No. 7,076,521) for an invention for a “Web-based collaborative data collection system” on July 11, 2006. This patent covers various aspects of the XML Enabler Agent.
This was our concern about what we have:

Although the Company intends to protect its rights as described above, there can be no assurance that these measures will be successful. Policing unauthorized use of the Company’s products and services is difficult and the steps taken may not prevent the misappropriation of its technology and intellectual property rights.

This is the action we took when we noticed some infringement activity:

On April 18, 2007, the Company filed suit for patent infringement against Microsoft Corp. in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. The Company claims that the Microsoft .Net System infringes U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744. On July 13, 2007, Microsoft filed an answer to the Company’s complaint, alleging various defenses and counterclaims. On August 2, 2007, the Company filed a reply to Microsoft’s defenses and counterclaims. The court has set trial for March 2009. The parties are in the process of discovery. The court has set the claim construction hearing for July 10, 2007.

This is what we thought about the situation and posible outcome:

In the opinion of management, the ultimate resolution of any pending matters may have a significant effect on the financial position, operations or cash flows of the Company. Also, the Company in the future may become involved in other legal actions that may have a significant effect on the financial position, operations or cash flows of the Company.
This is what happened;

Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (the “Company”) has settled the patent infringement claim that the Company initiated in federal court against Microsoft Corporation. This matter has previously been disclosed under the heading “Legal Proceedings” in the Company’s Annual Report on Form 10-KSB for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2007.

Pursuant to the confidential settlement agreement, the Company has granted to Microsoft a non-exclusive, fully paid-up license under the patent which was the subject of the legal proceeding.
NOW we wait for the 3rd qtr filing,...enjoy the wait! Lump

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)

By: lumster50
13 Sep 2008, 10:33 AM EDT

Msg. 225297


Looky here!

(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in Charter)

DELAWARE 0-28685 65-0393635
-------- ------- -----------
(State or other jurisdiction (Commission (IRS Employer
of incorporation) File Number) Identification No.)

(Address of principal executive offices)

(323) 658-4211
(Registrant's Executive Office Telephone Number)

(Former Name of Small Business Issuer)

Scientific Technology, Inc. Hmmm

For those new to VCSY Scientific Technology Inc was a delisted from the Nasdaq shell that VCSY bought a while back. NOW why in the world would they do that? Lemee tell ya. By aquiring this shell VCSY only needs to meet the criteria for a delisted company to return to the NAZ.Much simpler than what is required for a new entry into the exchange. I believe we need a pps of $5 or above for 3 months and viola!!! We're trading with the big boys!

NOW review my previous post and do the math and some DD

All in my Humble opinion of course! Lump

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)

By: RapidRobert2
13 Sep 2008, 03:41 PM EDT
Msg. 225329 
lumster: Here is the motion by VCSY to add 'sharepoint' to the infringement by MSFT:

INC., §
Plaintiff, §
§ Civil Action No. 2:07-CV-144 –DF-CE
v. §
Defendants. §
Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (“Vertical”), plaintiff in the above-entitled and
numbered civil action, moves the Court for leave to serve amended infringement contentions. In
support, Vertical will show the following.
On November 30, 2007, the plaintiff served its infringement contents against the
defendant. Subsequent to serving such contentions, the plaintiff determined that Microsoft’s
SharePoint 200 should be accused of infringement in addition to the products originally accused.
Thus, the plaintiff requests leave to serve such amended contentions pursuant to P.R. 3-6(b).
The defendant does not oppose the plaintiff serving the amended infringement
WHEREFORE, PREMISES CONSIDERED, the plaintiff respectfully requests that this
Court grants this motion for leave to serve amended infringement contentions.
Case 2:07-cv-00144-DF-CE Document 53 Filed 06/11/2008 Page 1 of 3
Respectfully submitted,
Eric M. Albritton
Texas State Bar No. 00790215
P.O. Box 2649
Longview, Texas 75606
Tel.: (903) 757-8449
Fax: (903) 758-7397
Thomas John Ward, Jr.
Texas Bar No. 00794818
Ward & Smith Law Firm
P O Box 1231
Longview, TX 75606-1231
Telephone: (903) 757-6400
Facsimile: (903) 757-2323
Raymond P. Niro
Vasilios D. Dossas
Sally Wiggins
Robert A. Conley
Eric J. Mersmann
181 West Madison Street, Suite 4600
Chicago, Illinois 60602
(312) 236-0733
Counsel for Plaintiff
Vertical Computer Systems, Inc.
The undersigned discussed this motion with Dave Healey, counsel for the defendant who
advised that the defendant agrees to the relief requested.
Eric M. Albritton
Case 2:07-cv-00144-DF-CE Document 53 Filed 06/11/2008 Page 2 of 3
The undersigned certifies that the foregoing document was filed electronically in
compliance with Local Rule CV-5(a). As such, this motion was served on all counsel who are
deemed to have consented to electronic service. Local Rule CV-5(a)(3)(A). Pursuant to Fed. R.
Civ. P. 5(d) and Local Rule CV-5(d) and (e), all other counsel of record not deemed to have
consented to electronic service were served with a true and correct copy of the foregoing by
email and/or fax, on this the 11th day of June, 2008.
Eric M. Albritton
Case 2:07-cv-00144-DF-CE Document 53 Filed 06/11/2008 Page 3 of 3

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:10 AM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 14 October 2009 7:45 PM EDT
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Friday, 20 June 2008
Throw a nucleus at a nucleus fast enough you get nucleated.
Mood:  lyrical
Now Playing: Mashing Marbles - How to build a flashy driveway (student driving)
Topic: Notable Opinions

Tooday is a monumental day. We have realized there is water ice on Mars. Mars now becomes an island in the ocean of space and time. And, if Mars is a possible safari away, Enceladus is Madagascar. A few nuke-pile water splitters and you have a bast easily transported collections of oxygen and hydrogen with which to reach the outer orbits of our celestial womb.

We are about to inherit abundant free energy from new results in materials research. We are about to see information facility to dazzle the most jaded librarian. Such resources placed in the hands of every expert of common computer skills (death of the hardware power programmer) give them the ability to translate and transpose their own subject matter skills into "facilities" (applications' great family of working relationships) by which the experts partner with the unknown to build cultures of productivity spanning continents.

Want to know how to do that? Read patent 6826744. Or you can read that patent about patents Microsoft will have to pay Alcatel $500 million for infringing. What are the patents about? "One patent covers how software users fill out forms. The other is related to the use of a stylus on a tablet computer. "

I thought it was a joke at first. It's real. I wonder how obvious that is tooday?

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:52 PM EDT
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Saturday, 12 May 2007
Virtualization smirchualization where's the bar?
Mood:  hug me
Now Playing: 'Highway Hickup' Hitchhiker gets taken for ride in large out of control car.
Topic: Notable Opinions

Bubbles come in various forms and not all are made of soap.

A bubble is a minimal-energy surface ...

And if you read this temporal layer cake you get to see the frosting is something that thawed out.


This is why Apple Leopard was rumored to be delayed the first time circa Mar 23, 2007. The 'rumor' proved to be true.

The date here is shortly after Microsoft shut down UDDI (formally along with IBM and SAP back in December 12, 2005 I know the article says December 16 but an original announcement had the December 12 date. Then, consider when UDDI was actually shut down being less than 30days from a projected January 16. Odd, isn' tit. There's a ton of those.) circa January 12, 2006.  UDDI defined.

Microsoft working with Apple on future of Virtual PC

Sunday, January 15th, 2006

In an article of AppleInsider the General Manager of the Macintosh Business Unit at Microsoft, Roz Ho said; “Virtual PC 7 remains the top emulation software for Mac PowerPC users. However, applications like Virtual PC that are highly dependent on the OS will not run under Rosetta”,
“These types of products require a dedicated team […] 1 Comment »

IBM has since demonstrated aggressive moes in virtualization, having the first and, as of yet, only Native XML.unstructured/strudctured hybrid database DB2 9 (codename Viper first google on db2 viper blog) .

IBM DB2 now also available is a Virtual Machine

Tuesday, February 7th, 2006

The list of Virtual Appliances is growing and growing Not only small apps are being made available as Virtual Appliances, IBM is now also offering the best database server on this planet available in a Virtual Machine A prepacked SuSe with IBM DB2 installed. Jippie

IBM DB2 Virtual Appliance

Here is the historical milemarker where Leopard took on the virtualization spots.

Next MacOS to include Virtualization Software :-)

Friday, March 24th, 2006

According to reliable sources is the next MacOS “Leopard” ready for virtualization. This should allow users to run osX and Windows at the same time

MacosXrumors is telling this news and often they have been right. Read more about it here
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Here is the historical milemarker where Microsoft changed their virtualization spots.

Daylight follows a dark night.

Tuesday, April 4th, 2006

Suddenly from the dark, the big Microsoft has awakend to the virtualization needs of their customers. From today Virtual Server 2005 R2 is available for free, it will support Linux operating systems, has Virtual Machine Additions available for Red Hat and SuSe and becomes an ‘open standard’ company by providing the masses with a (licensed) […]

And they seemed to go with virtualization in a big way

Microsoft diving deeper into Virtualization by buying Softricity

Friday, May 19th, 2006

Microsoft is really starting to take virtualization serious. Besides working on their own hypervisor, they are now also looking at application virtualization. They are in talks with Softricity to buy them, giving them an application virtualization technology that directly competes against Citrix’s Tarpon technology. According to some sources the deal is almost completed.

CRN and […]

A real big way.

Virtual Machine Orderline System made by Microsoft :-)

Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006

Microsoft is developing their new System Center Virtual Machine Manager, one of the key new feathers of this product is a self-service provisioning system

According to the microsoft product page: Virtual infrastructure is commonly used in test and development environments where there is consistent provisioning and teardown of virtual machines for testing purposes. This […]

They went crazy with it!

Microsoft offering unlimited Virtual Machine Licensing for Windows Datacenter

Monday, July 24th, 2006

Microsoft already earlier announced that they would only charge a license per 4 windows 2003R2 running virtual machines. Now they are making it even more simpler. For customers that buy a Windows Server Datacenter Edition, they can run an unlimited number of Windows Server Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter virtual machines on a single physical […]

And they looked like they were doing good.

Microsoft releases their first ‘Virtual Appliance’!

Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006

Yep, you are reading it right! Of course we can not freely distibute the Microsoft Windows operating system in a virtual machine, but if you are Microsoft yourself you can do what ever you want So Microsoft has decided to release their Visual Studio Orcas as technology preview in a Virtual Machine. Of course […]

And even the poor people will be heppy.

OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) now available as Virtual Appliance

Wednesday, November 22nd, 2006

Well the machines just started rolling out of the factories, but if you are interested to know what the childeren in the poor african countries will have to their disposal, you can check out the OLPC as a virtual appliance. Tom Hoffman has made the OLPC images available on his blog.

The OLPC Image for VMware
Read […]

But, then, something happened. VCSY longs believe the following comes after Microsoft received a 'cease and desist' on grounds of infringement by .Net (and thus all the products produced by .Net) against a VCSY patent US 6,826,744 . The consensus is that another VCSY patent and one pending even more severely impact Microsoft .Net and other Microsoft operations. Of course all of this is conjecture until somebody walks up to the microsophone and says 'Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Knowing the history of  January 15th, 2006 illuminates the following.

Apple reportedly to postpone Leopard to support Windows Vista

Ruby Huang, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Friday 23 March 2007]

Apple is expected to launch its next generation Leopard operating system (OS) in April, but according to industry sources, the release of the new OS will be postponed to October to allow Apple to make Leopard support Windows Vista through an integrated version of its Boot Camp software.

THAT was a rumor vociferously denied by all Apple contacts until this and that:

Top secret features suspect in Apple's Leopard delay

By Katie Marsal

Published: 12:00 PM EST

Apple Inc. has placed the blame for missing its self-imposed Leopard release date on its itty-bitty iPhone device, but analysts on Wall Street suspect other culprits -- such as a widely touted but so far elusive set of "top secret" features destined for the next-generation Mac OS.

Sure enough there was a gnat in the pudding. It festered a bit then came to a head.

Apple prepares surprise Leopard release for WWDC
Posted on May 10th, 2007 by Triston McIntyre

Apple prepares surprise release Leopard release for WWDCApple has informed the Securities and Exchange Commission that both the iPhone and Leopard have achieved “technological feasibility,” meaning they are near ready for a public release; is Apple planning a surprise full release of its groundbreaking operating system?

And where is Microsoft all this time?

May 10, 2007
Microsoft Viridian: Another Day, Another Delay
Clint Boulton

Less than a month after pushing back the delivery date for its Windows Server virtualization technology, Microsoft (Quote) today said that key features of the software will not be delivered in the second half of the year.

Viridian, a virtualization hypervisor (define), was supposed to arrive in the first half of the 2007 but was pushed to the second half of 2007.

Citing quality concerns, Viridian will not include Live migration, or hot-add resources for storage, networking, memory and processors, which allow developers to move, add or remove resources without taking the machine down, and it will limit support to 16 cores, or four quad-core processors.

Somebody's going to have to explain all this come Monday morning at the skeet range.

QUACK QUACK QUACK Color me Endangered


Robert McLaws: Windows Vista Edition

I'm just an online pundit who's barely old enough to legally buy alcohol

Microsoft's Virtualization Strategy is Doomed To Fail

Published Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:24 PM by Robert McLaws
Filed under: , ,

I don't think Microsoft is "in it to win it" with Virtualization anymore. Mike Neil, GM of "Virtualization Strategy" announced today that Microsoft isn't putting out a beta of Windows Server Virtualization until Longhorn Server RTMs (which is in November, the last I heard). On top of that, they're going to be cutting some of the features they touted the most in previous public demonstrations; features such as live migration, hot-adding resources, and support for extreme multicore.

Now, normally this wouldn't be a huge deal...

See body of article at URL 


...Actions are clearly speaking louder than words here, and Microsoft is headed for a really embarrassing loss.

There was a point when I was really excited about what Microsoft was doing with Virtualization. I'm not anymore. I can't afford to wait another year for a virtualization platform that's been delayed and castrated. I was just getting ready to deploy a new web server network on Virtual Server, in anticipation of WSV. Looks like I'm going to have to look into VMWare instead. XenSource is shipping now, maybe I should take a look at their platform too.

I had such high hopes.

end article

and why young Mister Robert is correct:

Virtualization as chunked by Microsoft: if-you-desire-illumination-on-this-and.html 

The Nuts and Bolts of Virtualization

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 5:51 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:12 AM EDT
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Saturday, 5 May 2007
When I see the Grand Canyon I see a long way to go to get to the fishers.
Mood:  a-ok
Now Playing: 'The View From Here' Lovers Leap with their new hit.
Topic: Notable Opinions

This is from an anonymous (see how easy it is to leave a comment here?) comment posted but it's an excellent anologed view of what I was saying about the VCSY patents so I thought I might put it here as a Notable Opinion topic.

Entered: Saturday, 5 May 2007 - 03:00 EDT
Name: "Hey Port"

 You don't have to post this, its more of a question to you.  From reading both patents (Siteflash and XML enabler)  This is what came to mind, because you were mentioning how they mirror each other.  I'm just checking in to see if I'm off or not because I don't want to base anymore thought on the idea if its off.


Macrocosm and microcosm is an ancient Greek schema of seeing the same patterns reproduced in all levels of the cosmos. It may have begun with Democritus in the 5th century B.C. or with Pythagoras and is a philosophical conception that runs through Socrates, and Plato and through to the Renaissance. With Pythagoras, the discovery of the golden ratio and its philosophical conception called the Golden mean, the Greeks saw that this golden ratio is repeated in all parts of the ordered universe both large and small. The Greeks were very concerned with a rational explanation of everything and saw this repetition of the golden mean as a pattern that was reproduced throughout reality. It is a product of the ancient Greek mentality of seeing reality as a whole and noticing patterns that are repeated throughout all the levels of reality. In short, it is the recognition that the same traits appear in entities of many different sizes, from one man to the entire human population.

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Good ideas have simplicity at their essential root. Good ideas reach a balance naturally by virtue of their form. Bad ideas have complexity at their essential root. Bad ideas require a great deal of force to be and stay balanced. 

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:39 PM EDT
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Thursday, 3 May 2007
Open Bar
Mood:  vegas lucky
Now Playing: 'Rastlin' With The Bar' Mountain man lures city slickers into bear cave. (Adventure/Religion)
Topic: Notable Opinions

 Yo y'all - Benjy on a roll.

By: benjaamin
02 May 2007, 08:55 PM EDT
Msg. 184014 of 184017
(This msg. is a reply to 184009 by riffraff51.)

Tepe.......I guess maybe you'd have to read in between the lines to understand what is going on. I know we've told you a thousand times so, in fact, reading in between the lines for me in this situation would be, that you just don't get it. But I'll try. If you read VCSY's website it says they market through its "distributors". Now its almost like an oil company or a metals company. We know cars use metal, they also use gas. But you never hear of these companies marketing these base products themselves.(for the most part) They sell to other companies and those companies do what they will with the base material. VCSY has "internet core technology" which sort is the equivelant here, in a way. What others choose to make with this technology is their choice.(And you can make amazing things with VCSY technology, you can even make things that make things) Now you might ask, because you've asked it a thousand damn times "well uh, where is the revenue? How come it doesn't say so in their quarterly's?" Good question, tepe. They are probably letting the big companies market(IBM, ADOBE(makes sense since adobe does electronic documents, and data is everything) these applications to figure out a pay scale of which to pay VCSY. After all, why charge them x amount when the impact might be more or less that what was previously thought. The other reason they're probably not mentioning any reason is the same reason they've never anounced these contracts that the good treeforters find out about through some good hard DD. That reason, I don't know, but I have a feeling. But how many pearls can you give away for free anyway, especially to you tepe. Think about it. Did they mention anything of the cease and desist order for MSFT in February? NOoo. So don't think just because someone doesn't tell you all their valuable little secrets that they don't have any. Also, why waste money marketing VCSY's products themselves? Especially when you can have big companies do amazing things with the technology and have THAT speak for itself. And they have the patents, that alone is some pretty damn strong marketing in itself. Because when the big boys realize that they've stepped into someone else's territory when they need to do web-based applications to survive with the trend of things, obviously the legalities will send them towards VCSY. Besides if I was IBM and working with VCSY since 2001 would I want to step out and tell others what I was doing so I could lose my head start in a new evolution of computing?(And thats what this is) IBM developed these products which took five years and are now starting to market them, and it all sounds soooo, well just so familiar. And if you think your ears are decieving you, then read between the lines, MSFT built this whole beautiful(not really) house on this nice hill and realized it wasn't even their property. Thats a mess. IBM isn't that stupid.

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)

btw: Yo yup - heard the bird will chirp tomorrow backatcha. 

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:25 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:27 AM EDT
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Monday, 30 April 2007
OK the band is here, there's the stage, where's the sound system?
Mood:  celebratory
Now Playing: 'Nocturnal Nuglets' Expedition seeks to find source of ancient king's super power. Warren Beady / Bill Muckluck
Topic: Notable Opinions
Having been a follower of REST principles for some time, I thought this might be educational for those geeks out there not getting why VCSY's (Vertical Computer Systems) intellectual properties portend such a strong impact. It has everything to do with the way you architect your system and either cruise or suffer. 
Please take the time to go through this article. The author says some things that ring my bell as I am reminded of the way IBM's Data Collector and XML Bridge works while reading although I have no direct indication the author is talking about this. To my understanding, the 'tell' is in '...the app is a distributed system, some of which runs in a cable plant head-end or telco office (whatever's on the other end of the wire in your living room), and some of which runs elsewhere. We also connect to some things on the Web.' But, I don't know what else he would use unless he and his cohorts built something like it... in which case the Web-based Collaborative Data Collection System patent 7,076,521 would be the descriptive basis for a well rounded, useful implementation of the concept.
I won't post the entire article as I feel it's best for the reader to go to the URL at Tim Ewald's site, not only for the full article, but all the comments and any further articles and inferences on the pages. The comments show the difference in direction between the dominant SOAP/RPC method promoted by Microsoft through .Net and the REST  method promoted by those who have discovered the shortcomings and dead-ends of a RPC-based framework.
I have provided some particular comments below to clarify your understanding a bit as to how the state-reporting component of REST must be viewed in order to work in an optimum way. 

Some acronyms:


Blogs / Tim Ewald

Fight the power

Thursday, April 26, 2007

I finally get REST. Wow.

Yeah, I'm alive. And I remember the password to my blog. I've been away for a bit, working on something very cool involving the TV. If all goes well, you'll hear about it in a big way. Anyway, I'm still having a ball out here in reality. Building something real has a way of focusing your decisions about technology.


Comments: (excerpted)

  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Posted @ 4/26/2007 7:03 PM
    So, I've got Fielding's thesis, before I get started on all that I have one newbie does that state transfer physically work? Ie., what is the REST equivalent of hyperlinks in HTML?
  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Mark Baker
    Posted @ 4/26/2007 9:31 PM
    Dennis - state transfer refers to the exchange of data between agents, where the data represents the state of a resource at some point in time. Regarding links, links in HTML are RESTful; for other data formats, they'd also have to use links.

  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Mark Baker
    Posted @ 4/26/2007 9:32 PM
    Brian - the lack of "standard endpoint descriptions" in RESTful systems is a feature, not a bug. All resources expose the same interface, therefore there's no value in describing the differences because there aren't any!

  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Bill de hOra
    Posted @ 4/27/2007 7:40 AM
    "Say I want to model a chess opponent in REST. How do you do that in rest by modeling states?"

    Post the move (or the entire board state) to the chess board. Plus, that's what distance chess players do more or less.
  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Andrew Wahbe
    Posted @ 4/27/2007 10:59 AM
    For what its worth, a conversation about this with a colleague yielded the following: if you think of the rules of chess to be the "protocol" then you can model the game states as documents identified by URIs. You GET a clean board with links for all possible moves (ya there's a lot but so what). You GET the appropriate link to make a move. The server applies both your move and the opponent's move and returns a new document with the board state and options. And so on.

    The contrast with Joe's POST-based solution is very relevant to the article. With that solution the client has to know the rules of chess to construct a valid new board; with the link-based solution, it doesn't.
    (correction from later comment:) Sorry it was Bill not Joe... wrong REST guru ;-)

  • # re: I finally get REST. Wow.
    Andrew Wahbe
    Posted @ 4/27/2007 10:59 AM
    For what its worth, a conversation about this with a colleague yielded the following: if you think of the rules of chess to be the "protocol" then you can model the game states as documents identified by URIs. You GET a clean board with links for all possible moves (ya there's a lot but so what). You GET the appropriate link to make a move. The server applies both your move and the opponent's move and returns a new document with the board state and options. And so on.

    The contrast with Joe's POST-based solution is very relevant to the article. With that solution the client has to know the rules of chess to construct a valid new board; with the link-based solution, it doesn't.

  • # REST as State Machine - Duh!
    David Van Couvering 's Blog
    Posted @ 4/27/2007 11:26 AM
    Tim Ewald get's the "aha" moment and shares it with the REST of us.


intervening article with example further detailing Mr. Ewald's assertions not shown here.


Friday, April 27, 2007

Ittay commented on my REST post:

the thing is, when you write software, you use an RPC model. what bothers me about REST is that it is not only an API. it enforces you to change your programming model.

that is not to say i don't like it. i do, for its simplicity and self documentation (e.g., provide all moves as links), but there is a price you pay.

When you write software, you use a programming model that works. And sometimes you have to change models. We changed them for the Web: we moved to the notion of pages. It wasn't RPC, it wasn't even objects (at least from most developers perspectives originally). But it was simple and did what it was supposed to do. I've done RPC, CORBA, DCOM, Remoting, RMI, and Web services. All of those technologies have their place. But they all struggle in a loosely-coupled, massively distributed world. I'll happily change my programming model to solve that.

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Saturday, April 28, 2007

I've gotten several comments saying that, at the end of the day, REST is just RPC. That's wrong, for at least 3 very (good) reasons:

A MUST read for anyone still struggling and afraid to drop the SOAP.

One reason this discussion is important is because a machine's 'state' determines whether the machine (at the one specific point in time and at the one particular selected entry in the record of all states experienced by the machine from start to present) is in a proper state or has gotten lost. Thus, 'state' is used to examine and determine whether a software/hardware operation is in synch with all its various members and methods against some measure (here be dragons) what reality as the computer designer says it should be.

Thus, 'determinism' decides whether a computer is an experimental toy or a robust framework. That is why determining, tracking and auditing  system state is essential... especially in an application comprised of web elements as any networked applications must be able to recover nicely after a connection is interrupted. Thus, state on a multi-platform web-based computer is much more critical than on a single-platform operating system. Windows NT was Microsoft's first fully deterministic operating system as it was able to maintain state information across all threads.

Now. Take SiteFlash and Emily and you can build a deterministic finite state machine (aka computer) using web elements and virtualized proprietary elements.

That's what all the hoorah is about Vertical Computer Systems intellectual property.

Notice Brother Tim left off this nasty habit of blogging last year, Here was the last post he made until Thursday April 26, 2007:

Wednesday, June 14, 2006

XML Nation 
Fight the power

Are Excel Services the way to bring developers and business people together?

I heard about Excel Services a while ago, but hadn't had any time to look at them even briefly until now. Basically, it's a server-side system that lets you access data and calculations in Excel spreadsheets via Web services. Think about how much business data and calculation is done with Excel. Now imagine being able to leverage the directly. Want to change the algorithm you use to compute some key financial data? Let the analyst modify the spreadsheet and copy the update to your server and you're done. Now *this* is the way to align technology and business. Of course, that assumes it all actually works well - I haven't done anything yet. But still, it has *tons* of potential. Very cool idea, definitely something to spend more time with.

posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:58 AM
  • # re: Are Excel Services the way to bring developers and business people together?
    Mark Nottingham
    Posted @ 9/2/2006 2:19 PM
    Totally. I put together a system like this in '97 for a brokerage firm; worked like a charm. Most "enterprise" data is in Excel; why not take advantage of it?

    The other side of this, of course, is turning Excel into a first-class format on the Web by giving people the means of identifying individual cells, rows and tables from URIs, and giving them a little more formalism, so spreadsheets can be reused as services themselves.

    More here:
  • # re: Are Excel Services the way to bring developers and business people together?
    John Doe
    Posted @ 10/7/2006 12:39 PM
    For those who have seen Excel spreadsheets at work; this is a nightmare to support!
    Wonder if anyone has thought about what will happen when excel pops up a message box on the server!!!
  • # re: Are Excel Services the way to bring developers and business people together?
    Brian Yang
    Posted @ 10/7/2006 12:42 PM
    I agree! Wonder why anyone would think that deploying excel to a server would be a good idea!
  • # re: Are Excel Services the way to bring developers and business people together?
    Posted @ 4/26/2007 10:48 PM
    Take a look at they use a spreadsheet metaphor (and look/feel) for server-based collaborative data and project management.


Coincidentally, THIS happened June 14, 2006 (the date of Tim Ewald's last blog entry before he left for his REST hiatus):


Wednesday, June 14, 2006

The W3C XML Query and XSL Working Groups have updated the Candidate Recommendations for XQuery, XSLT 2 and XPath 2. The major change in these drafts is that several data types have migrated from the xdt, namespace to the W3C XML Schema xs, namespace. There are numerous small bug fixes and clarifications as well. Updated drafts include:



Here's an interesting historical background (updated link 13Feb2010 - I find it troubling the archives for 2002 thru 2007 are missing) on Google and Amazon to name a few and their XML approaches back in April 2002. All the while VCSY was under seige by Ross Systems/Arglen. They seemed hella confident. All of them.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 6:11 PM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 13 February 2010 2:15 AM EST
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Saturday, 28 April 2007
In Russia I vas supermodel and here I ham a goddess
Mood:  hungry
Now Playing: 'Nick Nick Nicky' Punky waitress finds funnel under the bar. Tab Browser / Dimitria Hubris (tragic comedy)
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By: arthurarnsley
28 Apr 2007, 01:29 PM EDT
Msg. 183748 of 183749
(This msg. is a reply to 183736 by phil_a_buster12.)

phil_a_buster12 - After reading again all you've written in both of your posts it looks like MSFT's push for open source XML may be backfiring on them. People are saying, if open source is good for XML then it should be good for all Microsoft products; that a generic version of any Microsoft product should be available as open source.

More later, must go to work.


(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Hold; LT Rating- Hold)

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:44 PM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 28 April 2007 2:47 PM EDT
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Thursday, 26 April 2007
So you wrap this vine around your waist and hug it like it's your last hope and you step backward off the ledge.
Now Playing: 'Packington Bare' Sir Snivel N. Coward and Ms Notta Lotta read from the childrens' novel of love amongst the Wanga Pangy.
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I scratched meself. I know not where. But then I sees me underware. Me frightened eyes they did exclaim "I got to get this to my brain." The brain said 'Wot? You see I'm busy. My headache hurts. My tummy's dizzy.' Me frantic eyes they look around to see where Ol' Ears! could be found. But each time eyes made round the bend, there was that 'nose' post once again. But not a word made it. Eye can't send. He just receives and thus The End.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:10 PM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:12 PM EDT
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Wednesday, 25 April 2007
When I pull this handle money comes out, so why are you pulling your finger?
Mood:  cool
Now Playing: 'I Been Sittin' in Beijing Doing the Kowtow Blues' Downhome Chittlins and the Washboard Wacking Blues Band
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By: peterd13
25 Apr 2007, 02:58 PM EDT
Msg. 183409 of 183414
(This msg. is a reply to 183365 by tepe.)


I’ve got a question for you……

I know that you got into this stock about a year ago – after reading about it on another RB board – and bought in right away without doing your own DD, as you’ve told us many times. Well sometimes, especially with a penny stock - you just gotta take a shot and hope to catch the wave at the right time. In your case you got in during the slipping back phase of the run – oh well, that can happen...

But you’ve been here watching this stock VERY carefully (if not daily, at least 3 / 4 days a week…..and had ample opportunity to buy in below $.02 and sell above $.03 (upwards of a 60% gain in a few short weeks / months...) Seems you’ve done nothing to make any money in this stock – yet your attention to it is so great...

There are three types of investors here: long term players, short term players, and a hybrid (someone who does both.) I can not begin to tell you how many millions of shares I’m holding in long term (IRA) accounts and my Schwab portfolio. But my Scottrade account is used for short plays – 1 million shares purchased in early March (only about $17,500.00 ) was easily turned around to $31,500 on Monday (only about 6 weeks later.) You’ve told us you’re here to make money - how did such a savvy investor like you (who watches this stock so intently) miss such an easy play???

I guess I was wrong – there are four types of investors here; someone who doesn’t participate in any way of the three types listed above who becomes type # 4: "The worst investor EVER!!"

Congratulations, you’ve just vaulted past Trypiece to the top of THAT list!!!

Unless of course you actually did buy and sell recently – only to deny it when asked.

so, oh yeah – the question I have for you: which one are you? ‘The Worst Investor Ever’ or a liar?????


(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 3:15 PM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 3:53 PM EDT
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