VCSY - A Laughing Place #2

Saturday, 18 July 2009

About the VCSY Emily XML Programming Language Patent Pending application 09888329

07-17-2009	A...	Amendment/Req. Reconsideration-After Non-Final Reject	1
07-17-2009	CLM	Claims	5
07-17-2009	REM	Applicant Arguments/Remarks Made in an Amendment	4
07-17-2009	WFEE	Fee Worksheet (PTO-875)	2
07-17-2009	N417	EFS Acknowledgment Receipt	2
03-17-2009	CTNF	Non-Final Rejection	10

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:42 PM EDT

Updated: Saturday, 18 July 2009 9:10 PM EDT

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Wednesday, 15 July 2009

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By: dartanyion
15 Jul 2009, 09:21 PM EDT
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I would agree with ya but the original case was filed and
finished in Unites States Tax court docket number 5708-07L
and was filed in Washington DC and moved to Maryland,
the new case is in eastern Texas federal court with the
same judge as the Microsoft case, now this could all be
fine but Richardson Texas falls under northern Texas
federal court because Richardson is very close to Fortworth
Texas and thats northern Texas juristicition...

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 9:38 PM EDT

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While we all wait in the waiting room.

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by normnowak

more to it... 4-Jun-09 07:07 pm

A. if microsoft really thought that vcsy had NO merit with its patents, they would have offered NOTHING....$2.8 million in microsofts world doesn't even pay for the gas used in the corporate jets....if the markman was a slam- dunk for microsoft, they would show up....if they have a crack in their defense, more then $2.9 is settled on....B. if you really believe that markman is a slam-dunk and you are well aware of the date of the hearing, why do you need to request an extension of time ? hi, I'm with fish and richardson, one of the biggest firms in the world...we have done this a million times, we are the firm of choice for microsoft....here is this little company that hired a patent troll to go after us.....request for an extension your honor.....C. vcsy agrees to the extension...my point is that if microsoft thought that vcsy had nothing they would have offered nothing.....in the world of microsoft with $25 billion, $2.9 million is not as offer... if i am niro, and i am ready to go to the markman, i do NOT let the other side get more time to prepare to go to battle against me.....if vcsy was a non issue, microsoft shows up and laughs in court... D. again, why no summary judgment request?

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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 8:32 PM EDT

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Poor mirror is getting run over by normnowak's simple common sense view of the actual events. Apparently there's more to mirror's interest in VCSY than he claims. He's quite energetic and here he's quite agitated.

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by mirrorfuk

Re: damn, Nero is good..... 36 minutes ago

normnowhackjob, why don't you send your Niro love letters to Niro's own pr firm, where they'd be appreciated. No one else gives a crap. They made an easy million bux for a few days of work on the VCSY case and for that they can be proud. OK?

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 7:56 PM EDT

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Those of you watching from the parapets should be able to recognize what just happened here.

It's like sitting on the roof in the city and hearing a car crash a few blocks away. You don't have to be sitting on the curb watching to be able to tell what happened.

http://reddevnews.com/articles/2009/07/13/w3c-pulls-plug-on-xhtml-2.aspx

W3C Pulls Plug on XHTML 2

By Joab Jackson
07/13/2009

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has halted work on the second version of the Extensible Hypertext Markup Language (XHTML), and has instead redirected its energies to the next version, HTML 5.

"When the XHTML 2 Working Group charter expires as scheduled at the end of 2009, the charter will not be renewed. By doing so, and by increasing resources in the HTML Working Group, W3C hopes to accelerate the progress of HTML 5," states a W3C news bulletin

...

Version 2 of XHTML is actually a complete rewrite of the markup language, Jones said. "Basically, the vision of XHTML 2 was to start over and fix all the mistakes with earlier versions of HTML," he said. "They were successful in [technical terms], but it never got market uptake. It never got native support in browsers."

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(more at URL)

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"...the vision of XHTML 2 was to start over and fix all the mistakes with earlier versions of HTML..."

You see, once the industry saw something done right the first time, they had to revisit all the stuff they say they would consider "obvious".

It wasn't all that obvious when you blind people felt up the elephant AFTER the Emily language patent application was made. Your consensus didn't come up with a proper dispensation of the novel concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML

And anyone who reads the Emily patent pending information knows Emily is the use of XML as a truly functional and transformative language intended for use with the MLE 7076521 native XML process but uniquely powerful just by itself.

Very interesting timing for the W3C to pack it up in attempting to do what Emily does and they go traipsing over to HTML to see if they can make HTML extensible enough to work around the Emily method.

If anyone would like to argue what I'm saying, please feel free to comment. Better bring your lunch.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:11 AM EDT

Updated: Wednesday, 15 July 2009 1:26 AM EDT

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by normowak

checkmate! 19-May-09 01:04 am

notice that Fish & Richardson law firm does NOT do M&A.....Microsoft called in Ms. Rovner from Weil Gotshal & Manges...They DO M&A.....this is a win-win situation...Either Rovner was called in to close the deal that Fish & Richardson could not close OR Gotshal was called in to do MORE than deal with the patent infringement ... something that Microsoft thought would take 6 weeks to accomplish.....Either way, it appears to be good news! By the way, my first post was several months ago. my post dealt with the fact that Backweb hired Niro 8 months after Vcsy settled with Microsoft....Backweb filed a patent infringement suit against Microsoft...Why in the world would Backweb hire Niro if he blew the case against Microsoft and quite possibly future suits against Ibm and Adobe? Would you hire a lawyer if he pleaded with you to give him one more shot at getting Microsoft because they got away last time ? Many law firms would take a contingency case against the worlds deepest deep pocket company....as i said in that post, Niro played the outcome (Vcsy vs. Microsoft) close to the vest (confidentiality agreement) but he revealed his hand by getting hired by a company(Backweb) to do the exact same thing(file a patent infringement lawsuit) to the exact same company(Microsoft) 8 months after he settled with them.....just a thought...

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by normnowak

not acting like an ambulance chaser 25-May-09 12:17 pm

if vcsy REALLY did NOT have much going with the patent infringement against microsoft and microsoft was willing to throw vcsy a $2.9 million bone ( license agreement) then an obvious question remains....Why wouldn't Niro file suit against ibm, adobe and others if he could pocket a couple of million dollars for so little work? It has been a year since microsoft agreed to fork over almost $3 million....if that was ALL there was to the microsoft suit. why not file suit on at least ibm and adobe? If, and i really mean if Niro is "just a patent troll looking for a quick buck" he certainly is NOT acting the part... if Niro is really the slim that some make him out to be, having microsoft toss $3 million to vcsy would have him RUNNING to ibm and adobe with his hands out demanding a couple of bucks....no, certainly NOT acting like a hit-and -run lawyer that some have claimed .......then again, i have respect for the #1 patent firm in the country.....there isn't even a close second...

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by normnowak

NIRO already had his foot on lawyers throat 13-Jul-09 10:05 pm

for those of you that said that Fish & Richardson looked at Niro as a nobody who would take a handout a run with it, i've got some "interesting " news for you....back on 9/10/07 Fish & Richardson were sued by one of their own lawyers...seems that the lawyer had some patents and one thing lead to another and before long, he was sueing his own "former " employer, Fish & Richardson.....the case settled on 8/14/ 08......Now, these lawyers at Fish & Richardson are VERY smart people....these are the guys that MICROSOFT uses....this "former" Fish & Richardson was "smart" enough to use NIRO as his lawyer....by the way...i guess NIRO did a pretty good job against Fish & Richardson because on 12/23/08 that's 4 months AFTER Fish & Richardson settled, NIRO filed suit against HARPO STUDIO's ( that's OPRAH WINFREY)....interesting that while VCSY had NIRO beating the hell out of Microsoft's lawyers, NIRO was in court "prosecuting" the law firm in another court.....

For those of you looking for information, pay particular attention to what posters say. The more cunning of them try to appear "reasonable" and "conservative". This particular poster should be dismissed entirely.

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by mirrorfuk

Re: NIRO already had his foot on lawyers throat 13-Jul-09 10:20 pm

Niro did a great job, IMO, negotiating a $2.9M settlement for VCSY, very generous considering how weak the case was. Excellent job by Niro to get *anything* out of this. I never expected it.

Niro sure proved that they are good. They squeezed water from a stone. imo.

The obvious disparity in the information normnowak writes about and the scenario posters like mirrorfuk attempt to pass off to casual readers demonstrates the assertion by longs there is much more behind the covers on VCSY than actually appear.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:10 AM EDT

Updated: Wednesday, 15 July 2009 12:26 AM EDT

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Monday, 13 July 2009

Interesting threads.

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by normnowak

timing is everything.... 16-May-09 11:00 pm

Immediately AFTER Microsoft settled with VCSY (Aug 28th or so) i am sure Raymond Niro was in discussions with IBM.Remember, NO patent infringement lawsuit was or has been filed against ibm....Let's say that Niro came up with a "royalty"agreement over the next 3 months....that would put us into january 2009.....if, and i stress if ibm paid anything to vcsy, it may have occured over the first 3 months of 2009.....the 10Q for ibm on pages 20 and 21 discuss money paid that includes intellectual propery (royalty)....the amount for the jan to march time is $30 Million dollars MORE that the time ending dec.2008.... THAT money would NOT be listed under " Legal" because NO lawsuit was filed..... Just pointing out a $30 million dollar increase in expenses that include "IP"...One other point, Microsoft DID hire a lawfirm to settle with vcsy( markman extension so that new firm could be called in).....Why call in a firm to settle if settlement is so so small????? Microsof't's lawyers ( who settle or fight all the time) couldn't work out a couple million dollar settlement with vcsy ? had to hire a specialist to close the deal? just asking! by the way, 8 months AFTER Niro settled the vcsy case, BackWEB Co. filed a patent infringement lawsuit case against Microsoft......why would backweb hire niro if he did NOT deliver the goods to vcsy? lots of lawyers would take a case (yes, even on a contingency) against Microsoft.........Just asking !

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by normnowak

Weil Gotshal & Manges 17-May-09 03:00 pm

Rovner is quite the star lawyer...#1.....she works for the law firm Weil Gotshal&Manges...Same law firm that represented Microsoft is its HUGE Eolas lawsuit ( $500 Million before a final settlement). Weil also represented Microsoft in its victory in 2007 against Acacia and MANY others....Weil Gotshal &Manges is also a leader in AQUISITIONS.....If the vcsy patent is as valuable to microsft as we all hope it is, would microsoft want to be on a vcsy chain for the next couple of years? Would microsoft want to take a chance of a competitor (google,ibm,adobe) buying vcsy and having to answer to them? Weil Gotlshal and manges would first have Rovner deal with Niro and the royalty value of the patents....then have the M&A department work out the details.....Now before you start shouting that the shareholders have to vote on a buyout, do your dd and see what percentage is needed.....preferred vs. common share voting rights, etc.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 9:51 PM EDT

Updated: Monday, 13 July 2009 9:57 PM EDT

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For the curious. If all your friends jump off the Golden Gate bridge, would you do that too?

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By normnowak

Niro revealed more than he wanted... 17-Mar-09 07:06 pm

part of the Microsoft Lawsuit settlement was confidentiality of the settlement...Niro (vcsy Attorney) has held his cards close to the vest. Seven months after vcsy settled, another company named Cygnus filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Microsoft, Google and Apple...Cygnus could hire ANY law firm on planet earth... They hired Niro.... Cygnus would NOT have hired Niro if they had blown the vcsy vs. Microsoft case.. ....Cygnus would ONLY have hired Niro if they believed Niro could duplicate the success they had against Microsoft.... Niro had a game strategy that MUST have worked or Cygnus would not have chose them...CHECKMATE !

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by normnowak

timing is everything.... 16-May-09 11:00 pm

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by normnowak

Niro revealed more than he wanted... 17-Mar-09 07:06 pm

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:28 PM EDT

Updated: Monday, 13 July 2009 1:40 PM EDT

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Saturday, 11 July 2009

This date last year we VCSY longs were all wondering what the future might be. We are still wondering what the future might be, but, we know much more and much less today than one year ago today... the day after the scheduled Markman Hearing came and went to accommodate a delay in Microsoft's schedule.

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 3:47 PM EDT

Updated: Saturday, 11 July 2009 3:48 PM EDT

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Thursday, 9 July 2009

The worm turns.
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I've been waiting for this behaviour to become manifest for a long time.

PING.

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By: arthurarnsley01
09 Jul 2009, 02:02 PM EDT
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Dabbler, MSFT may have bought ‘744 from VCSY.

There is one aspect of the Markham hearing that is a bit of a worry. If MS had gone into the Markham hearing and won then the patent would have been voided. After that every company in the world could have used '744 for free. By avoiding the Markham hearing and paying VCSY $2.9 million for use of the patent MS validated the patent so that no other company could use the patent without buying a license and paying royalties to VCSY.

So MS effectively bought the patent from VCSY for the “chump change” others have mentioned. Isn’t that a dreadful thought? MSFT owns ‘744 and VCSY is out in the cold. That is the way this scenario has unfolded. VCSY may not be in a position to enforce patent ‘744 with any other company that wants to use it because those other companies can now come in the back door and use Microsoft’s Markham defense to avoid paying fees or royalties to VCSY. Google would be home free using ‘744.

So where is the upside for VCSY in all this? There may not be one. It does not seem credible that VCSY won anything in its lawsuit against MSFT and instead may have lost everything. After all is said and done, VCSY claimed the settlement details were confidential, as in, did you want this chump change in $50’s or $100’s?

On top of all that, NOW Solutions’ revenue is shrinking and the time clock acquisition may be a finger in the dyke effort to turn NOW into profitability.

Perhaps VCSY is overpriced at .018.

Arthur

A squeak in the night. The hinge on the gate.

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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:32 PM EDT

Updated: Thursday, 9 July 2009 10:40 PM EDT

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