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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Monday, 9 March 2009
The latter half of my Yahoo posting history
Topic: Notable Opinions

For some reason I can't access my Yahoo posts prior to March 23, 2008.

I'm posting this so the reader can at least thumb through posts from March 2008 and decide for themselves who's who.

http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search?.mbintl=finance&q=portuno_diamo&action=Search&r=Huiz75WdCYfD_KCA2Dc-&within=author&within=tm&off=4001

 

This is a good place to start:

The skeptic's view: 

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_V/threadview?m=tm&bn=33693&tid=2570&mid=2570&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1 

and my response:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_V/threadview?m=tm&bn=33693&tid=2570&mid=2587&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1

 

Of course, we all know Microsoft settled with VCSY the day before the Markman Hearing of July 25, 2008.

 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 5:11 PM EDT
Updated: Monday, 9 March 2009 5:23 PM EDT
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Monday, 1 December 2008
Driving a nail in the wall.
Mood:  a-ok
Now Playing: Walking on the plank - It's a short walk and a long drop (extreme violins)
Topic: Microsoft and VCSY

I thought I might take this time of boredom and waiting to do some housekeeping. I'm storing some things here to make it easier for those who care to pull things together.

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ITEM 1

Regarding 237056 http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=237056
It's funny out of the 5 speculative explanations Irule listed for the "confidential" portion of the MSFT settlement, there is only1 that is negative (#4) and that one is not confidential since all has been revealed about that item.  

#1 would be knowledge passed on to Microsoft only if Microsoft had a real use for 744. 

#2 would be necessary if VCSY would be shepherding and marshalling the use of 744 in MSFT's projects and future uses ("non-exclusivity" indicates #2 would be in place to segment the areas VCSY would allow MSFT to use to prevent conflicts with other future uses VCSY anticipated developing for themselves or other partners).

#3 would restrict MSFT's dissemination of 744 capabilities to partners and would work in conjunction with #2.

#4 is what a whole bunch of very energetic and insistent people appear to want everyone to believe. If it were truly so, why would they not simply sit back and quietly watch the company fall apart and die?

#5 is what Microsoft settlements historically turn out to be and the same bunch energetically advancing #4 with no proof emphatically insist #5  is impossible.

4 out of 5 ain't bad.

looking back to 237024 http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=237034
Irule lists 6 items Irule brands as "speculative". Apparently he doesn't know that just about everything in developing small cap companies like VCSY is "speculative". It reminds me of the scornful way in which Microsoft principals and offical apologists announced as "speculation" the rumor Vista was being rewritten during the first half of 2006. Robert Scoble was one of the most insistent in claiming such "speculation" was unethical. Scoble quit as an offical MSFT blogger when the company failed to back up his righteous indignation. It turned out the "speculative" rumor was correct.

So, the speculative positives are:

#1 could very well fit into the "confidential" definition especially given the scope and difficulty in assessing the true value of something like 744 as it relates to projects and products Microsoft has only recently been able to divulge. I seriously doubt MSFT and VCSY could come to terms with the bulk of what MSFT could be planning on doing with 744 for the future in the few weeks surrounding the immediate settlement for past infringement to be completed before the Markman Hearing

#2 as Live-Mesh, Silverlight 2.1, Synch, various aspects of Azure inoperability and many other areas (including any emulation of AJAX MSFT might want to build to compete with the rich web-GUI industry built by open-source developers since Google introduced the concept in early 2005) would be a necessary component of a Microsoft web ecosystem, I consider 521 as the shotgun in this wedding. Without 521, Microsoft would be forced to use their own SOAP and SmartClient technologies to build out their web vision. These systems have serious deficiencies which essentially made .Net unfit for large-scale, deterministic transaction frameworks on less than ideal private networks.

#3 the similarities of IBM and Adobe products to 744 and 521 are striking. In fact, it's easier to see overt uses of claims similar to 744 and 521 in IBM and Adobe than were those same claims in MSFT. This would be logical if MSFT were hiding the use of 744 and 521 and IBM and Adobe were confident they would be able to deal with VCSY when the time came.

Regarding recent patent rulings, it would appear Bilski has little effect based on the two criteria of dedicated computer application and innovative data transformation as both are easily expressed by describing 744 and 521 uses. I would think a patent lawyer could argue the easily visible points much better than I've been able... mainly because they would be getting paid to do so and they would be writing the arguments without the distraction of "America's Next Top Model" and the History Channel.... and without the impediment of chili in the keyboard.

#4 whereas NOW Solutions emPath was able to integrate Microsoft and third part applications together for interoperability and place those packages on the web for SaaS deployment long before Microsoft was able to deliver such capabilities (not because MSFT lacks the technology but they could not openly show they were using 744 or 521 claims) I would think NOW Solutions has a very valuable platform made SaaS capable by 744 and 521. I would say emPath is a very valuable asset.

#5 as VCSY has had years to refine ResponseFlash, I would think ResponseFlash could prove to be a very valuable asset.

#6 the fiber optic is "possibly" a monstrously valuable asset given uses far beyond whatever Verizon may find uses for. In other words, if Verizon can make the FO patent work, there are many thousands of potential uses for such a capability for the future.

All told , I would rank the VCSY possibilities to have more substantive information behind the speculation than rumor-mongers had when speculating about the Vista rewrite... and we know what a dirty word is "speculation" in the technology industry. 

 

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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:12 PM EST
Updated: Saturday, 13 December 2008 4:44 AM EST
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Saturday, 18 October 2008
Mumps and/or Chicken Pox?
Mood:  bright
Now Playing: Dueling Diseases - Disfunctional family contracts a paradox of pathogens (acute itchybitches)
Topic: Pervasive Computing

This Microsoft lawyer can make this statement:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10068367-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

"I actually think the war between proprietary and open source is a thing of the past."
--Horacio Gutierrez, Microsoft intellectual property lawyer

...because Microsoft now has licensed use of technology that renders all distinctions about platforms and placement "arbitrary". And who better than an intellectual property lawyer to know?


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 4:11 PM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 18 October 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Thursday, 16 October 2008
The Lesson to be Learned.
Mood:  accident prone
Now Playing: Don't c:!###$ With Mother - Nature photog shoots self in lip (focus group)
Topic: Calamity

Mister Frickaseed says "Remember what's been forgotten. You will then own what was never lost."

http://vcsy.com/press/releases.php?year=2000&month=03&day=07&num=00
Luiz Valdetaro, Vertical's Chief Technology Officer, stated, "The Emily Framework should allow Vertical to integrate its international portal linkage without the need for a centralized database."
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20081003_005496.html
"We’re entering the age of cloud computing, remember? And clouds, it turns out, don’t like databases, at least not as they have traditionally been used.
This fact came out in my EmTech panel and all the experts onstage with me nodded sagely as my mind reeled. No database?
No database."

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 4:09 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 16 October 2008 4:13 AM EDT
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Sunday, 12 October 2008

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HAAAARRRRRR. Squeeze me parrot and varnish me leg, Thar's a wind blowin' through the riggings, me hearties.

20-Aug-08 02:31 pm by portuno_diamo

The question has been asked: "if the settlement had been substantial, what would MSFT's motivation be to settle?"

Microsoft settled to be able to use the technology that's allowing them to say the kinds of things they say now about their products and plans they couldn't honestly say before.

Without 521 and 744 they won't be able to extend their interoperability beyond COM/DCOM.

Two innovations made skyscrapers possible: Steel structural frameworks and elevators.

The analogy here is 521 allows the construction of lightweight and robust ties between all types of data systems and applications.

The other analogy is 744 allows the developer, user, engineer, governor to extend a functional presence to any place the lightweight framework build can reach.

Without 521/744 Microsoft would still be trying desperately to buy Yahoo to have breathing room until the March 2009 trial.

That's why you need to understand the technology or at least have advisors who understand distributed functional systems instead of "operating systems". "Operating systems" will be obsolete.

The real "killer app" is the ability to build out on the web... not closed proprietary platforms like Windows.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2417

The true "killer app" is the ability to interconnect and interoperate seamlessly across the web. VCSY IP provides the foundation for doing precisely that. NOW Solutions provides the realistic demonstrations for doing precisely that with Microsoft applications - something even Microsoft couldn't do.

That's why the Infinitek news is so important.

$300,000+ drove VCSY to bail the day before the Markman Hearing? That's not even logical.

The bigger question is "why did Microsoft avoid the Markman Hearing if they would have won the claims contest?"

The answer is Microsoft would have lost the Markman Hearing and they would be at risk of a summary judgment and/or injunction.

Microsoft needed VCSY much more than VCSY needed Microsoft.

Now they are partners. Reluctant partners, perhaps. But, MSFT is suddenly able to show and do things they could only talk about for years.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to catch a train toward Palo Alto. Talk amongst yourselves.

Thus Spake Portuno


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:09 PM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 12 October 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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7-Sep-07 01:29 pm by zogdan2

You are PUMPERS.

The technologies you discuss for VCSY have absolutely NOTHING to do with Vista, Silverlight, or any Microsoft technology.

And either you're too stupid to know it, or you know it and you're simply trying to deceive investors.

Which is it? Are you stupid or evil?

As for why you get no responses, it's because no one cares... just like one wouldn't engage the crazy man talking to himself on a NYC streetcorner.

Your own consistent blathering has proved you to been quite a loon... you've undone your own credibility. You need to change tactics if you successfully intend on pumping something in the future... for now, you're probably convincing more people to SELL whatever you support.

:)

-Zog


7-Sep-07 01:57 pm by portuno_diamo

Absolutely NOTHING? Oh, come now, zog. You can be more realistic than that. I agree the patents 6068744 and 7076521 have absolutely nothing to do with Vista, Silverlight, or any Microsoft technology in public now, but could you please tell me how Microsoft intends to get an XML processing runtime on the local client (like Silverlight) to act as a web application (like 7076521) and be governed in a web-based ecology (like 6826744) so .Net 3.0 in Visual Studio, Expression and Silverlight may act as one entity?

I do agree MSFt has the things segmented artificially to achieve various ends such as marketing and discipline and vertical lock-in, but to say the 744/521 patents have NOTHING to do with what Silverlight+Expression+.Net need to go is like people saying Eolas had nothing to do with Silverlight in the first place.

That is flat wrong and, by studying the structures described in the patents you will find Microsoft has to go that direction eventually or your segregated designers and developers will fall prey to a more integrated approach like Adobe's AIR/Flex.

Now, I know you guys have DLR which could perform the kind of robust application platforming that Silverlight can't provide (as Silverlight is intended just for automating GUI apps) so what will you use to link Silverlight environed GUI apps with DLR based web applications most people refer to as "programs"?

Thanks in advance for your response.
the real portuno

PS – This thread is useful for finding out who knows what. You will find it has a variety of posts such as this little gem:

7-Sep-07 03:26 pm by portuno_diamo
Let's get this right, OK?

From your post in response:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...

to my questions as to why MSFT can't integrate their packages to make them easier to use, better interoperation and more productive.

Which I also replied to in two parts here:

and here:
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...

and here: http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...

----

You said the following from your post (my comments <<>>):

<< why they can't (won't?) bring the various pieces together to provide a designer+developer construct so one person can take hold of a web application without having to learn many different pieces as MSFT has segmented what they have.
>>
Answer: because that would be stupid.
Microsoft segmented them because the people who use the tools are completely different. Trying to come up with a single tool that is applicable to both is a BAD IDEA and will fail.

Is that what VCSY has done? Sheesh... no wonder they're in the crapper.

---
So what you're saying is Microsoft COULD integrate their packages and extend their usefulness and capability to look and act perform as well as 521/744 BUT, it would not be advantageous to the Microsoft business plan.


I see. So, the MSFT way is to lock in clients with segmented applications that don't interoperate except to move files from one discipline user to another discipline user. Thus "interoperation" is actually a dirty word to MSFT because it allows others to work (collaborate) on projects and perhaps sidestep the requirement to buy their own version of the Microsoft products to do their work.

Stupid? That would be stupid? To allow people to work with less complexity, less complication, greater productivity and less expensive would be, in your words as a Microsoft adherent and, I would assume, employee, "stupid"?
Uhhh... You do realize, of course, that all this is public and the CEO's of corporations and journalists and various voices who know are going to read your words, right?

Would you like a chance to rephrase what you've said as you've very succinctly demonstrated how MSFT intends to sidestep patents 7076521/6826744 by keeping the different pieces that need to work together segmented and functionally separate?

That's very interesting and helpful. Thank you very much. You've been honest with a sincere desire to help... unlike the others who want to kill the messenger and extinguish the message.

Thank you.
the real portuno

Plenty more where that came from folks.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:07 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 12 October 2008 1:41 AM EDT
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Mood:  a-ok

8-Sep-07 01:18 pm by hross_bjorn

> Most of the technology people who read this board know what
> a startup tech company is like in stealth mode.

I AM a "technology person." VCSY.OB is not a startup tech company anymore. It *was* a startup tech company at least 8 years ago. Now it's just a washed-up has-been trying a Hail Mary Pass(tm).

VCSY.OB's current operation is not "stealth" mode--it's "we're going broke and have nothing to lose, so throw everything at a wall and see what sticks" mode. I've seen it many, many times, and I've seen the relevant companies basically dissolve in 99% of all cases. Trying to characterize its behavior as a "startup in stealth mode" is either dishonest or clueless on several levels.

 

8-Sep-07 11:18 pm and 8-Sep-07 11:30 pm by portuno_diamo

Well, gee, hoss - I thought I had not seen another mind quite so closed as mtgmark1, but, low and cornholed, I do believe another contender for chumpion has come into view.

I saw an article recently (on RB - maybe one of the Longs at RB can dig it up) saying a handful of startups that had their stocks collapsed or lost investing capital and went unlisted back during the dotcom bust (circa 2000 in case you weren't aware at that time) find TODAY a perfect storm for technology startups. So, how is it there is a time limit on running stealth OR startup?

But you see a failure in VCSY after reading all the extraneous information that's been dug up on the public internet for the past years.

Do tell.

But... what if?

If you knew today you could become a billionaire in ten years by remaining in secret operating posture (as long as a public company meets filing requirements to inform shareholders, I don't remember any rule saying a company has to feed the PR machine) would you (could you? Really?)?

Let's say you had a choice of putting your technology for sale to the public at a time when the largest competitors could take what you had (let's say you were waiting on a patent or two) so you could then move forward with protection of the law... (let's say you suspect said competitor was a crook and would steal your trade secrets [what they are if not patented] at first opportunity and bury the stealing by burying you in articles and advertising)... would you keep your operations secret?

And let's say you have people who want to use your technology but want to make sure you really own the stuff and can prove it by a court case or a settlement by your largest competitor... would you let them try, test out, develop their own work with your patent pending intellectual property? Would they want to pay? Or would they want to work with it on a 'pay you when you prove it's yours' basis (whatever your lawyer wants to call that kind of agreement)? Would you go along with that kind of plan?

And, if you could work it so not just one but several people who you can build a relationship with and trust will make the same agreement with the understanding that none of them can actually sell the stuff (they can field secret test versions as alphas and betas) until you do prove it's yours... would you?

If you could become a billionaire in 10 years by agreeing to that? Would you?

Or would you stay in your silly little trading job in the sweatshop while trying to make a few bucks in the “marketing” department dribbling out the swill the cue cards and scripts tell you to write about XYZ stock on message boards?

I think I would and could be as quiet as a mouse peeing on cotton. Cotton socks on giant feet.

And if you did make that sort of deal with companies with a relationship and they continued working with their products incorporating your technology on an evaluation and development basis, don't you think you would hold all of them to the same reveal date? And don't you think that, just to be fair, you would treat your biggest competitor and your biggest competitor's partner differently so the courts wouldn't view your efforts as anti-competitive?

You know, I have a bit of a problem with Apple and the way Apple is postured.

Sun has ZFS and so does Apple but Apple has a read only version of ZFS and Sun has a read/write version. And Sun and Apple are only fielding test versions of the products.

And then, Apple has a virtualization technology and Microsoft has a virtualization technology called Viridian and the odd thing is that both Apple and Microsoft delayed their operating system virtualizations on the same day... here's a timeline:

April 12, 2007 Apple Leopard delay to October announced
[Apple admits]

April 12, 2007 Microsoft Viridian delay to October announced
[virtualization]

April 13, 2007 Sun buys SavaJe IP
(which went dark in unexplained circumstances last year see Oct 17 2006)

April 18, 2007 VCSY sued Microsoft for infringement on US 6,826,744

So what do we see? Coincidence? Or a plan? An agreement for evaluation (of which nobody legally has to say a peep) and a wait for the property to be validated as to ownership?

Beats me. Mtgmark1 is supposed to be the financial whiz but I guess he's never heard about development on spec.

And I guess hoss forgets what a "five year plan" is. I guess he also requires all companies in secret development for longer than X days months years to give up on the day after his ... limit (gee, "hoss" how long should a company work before giving up? Hmmmm, sweety? Can you give us a figure? Can you give us a clue as to how you arrive at your conclusion?).

So, whatever you say recy. Yeah you right. Rage on, bro. Rage on. Just, do me a favor, will ya? Hang around until the day after VCSY proves ownership of the technology so you can be around for me to laugh in your face. Then you can drop dead or disappeared or de@#$%d. I don't give a flying frappe'.

sincerely,
the real portuno

In memory of recy43. RIP

Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:14 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 12 October 2008 1:40 AM EDT
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Sunday, 28 September 2008
Now that we bought a deadbolt, the neighbors aren't "dropping in" like they used to.
Mood:  don't ask
Now Playing: Somebody's been sleeping in my bed! - Fairytale ending to home invasion scenarios (adult fantasies)
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

 Hey everybody! How about a big tepid bowl of ignorant soup?

Now that Microsoft is an ally in protecting the validity of patent 6826744, we can go back to the past and see what kinds of brilliant analysis the software industry had to rely on to protect them from stumbling into a bear trap.

The following comments are from a news blurb April 2007 announcing VCSY had sued Microsoft for infringement of 6826844. I am placing these here because someone on Raging Bull VCSY board posted the article and pointed out some material in one of the posts: http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=226723

I attempted to post all this on Yahoo VCSY board, but the Yahoo board froze up when I tried to post the first segment, so, I thought I might leave this little bag of flaming poo here so everyone will have some idea what it's like to listen in on a gang of thugs disappointed they won't get a chance to break into your house and cart off everything you've worked hard to achieve.

Enjoy!

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/04/21/microsoft-hit-with-patent-suit-over-net 

>>  #1 Posted by Quick Reply on 21 Apr 2007 - 15:55
These definitions are way too vague! Been on notice since February 7? That's plenty of notice, even though .NET framework has been around since 2002! <<

And since the patent was applied for in 1999, plenty had the opportunity to build their own versions of the patent claims to see how they worked. Apparently, Microsoft liked what they saw. I wonder how many are now in the telescopic sights of Raymond Niro and Charles Wade?

>>#2 Posted by noroom on 21 Apr 2007 - 15:56
Booo! Down with software patents! <<

Hissss. Down with people who want to rip off pioneering IP. Give 'em the razzberry!

>>#3 Posted by superhuman on 21 Apr 2007 - 15:57
This is Funny. XML is an open specification. Everyone can use it to build their website. I am not sure why they let them patent it. <<

"Everyone can use XML to build their website." What's funny is you didn't have any idea what that patent said about processing XML. That's why you sound so ignorant now.

>>#4 Posted by ahhell on 21 Apr 2007 - 16:14
MS is going to eat that company for breakfast. <<

Want some bacon with that egg on your face?

>>#5 Posted by chaosblade on 21 Apr 2007 - 16:30
MS is going to buy that company for breakfast <<

Did they leave a tip? Yeah. Here's a tip. Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

>>#6 Posted by +ECEGatorTuro on 21 Apr 2007 - 17:06
MS is going to crap that company out a few hours after breakfast.<<

That was some dump, booboo. Sure you don't need a forklift to get you off that commode?

>>#7 Posted by XeonBuilder on 21 Apr 2007 - 17:12
Are they kidding me?

Everyone wants a piece of Bill pie... How he does buy them and sells them on eBay. <<

But Bill didn't buy them, did he? He settled with them. The day before the Markman Hearing... and you know what that means.

>>#8 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 21 Apr 2007 - 17:33
What a load. They need to line up suits against the entire computer industry. AJAX is a framework, as is Java, Ruby, HTML, and almost every other programming environment ever used. I wish MS could countersue for harassment.

EDIT: Here's Vertical's company description:

"Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (VCSY) is a provider of Internet core technologies, administrative software, and derivative software application products through its distribution network."

Now, everyone that their software is derived from can just steamroll right over them since they opened the door.

BONUS: http://www.vcsy.com/investor/stockactivity.php

Their stock is worth 2 cents! lol

Last edited by GreyWolfSC on 21 Apr 2007 - 17:58<<

That's right. The entire industry. It's what we had been warning you clinks for years before. Steamroll over VCSY? I don't think so, fat girl. That rolling sound is just you dropping your doughnut. I'm sure MSFT dearly wanted to be able to countersue VCSY for harrassment, but that's not how it went for Mister Softee. The judge signed off on the case and therefore cancelled any further discussion with extreme prejudice. Case closed. NEXT!

>>  #9 Posted by +azcodemonkey on 21 Apr 2007 - 17:56
LOL I'm completely certain that there is prior art. I worked with a company around the same time that was doing the same thing -- wrapping arbitrary objects or using "pointers" to objects/data for use in a web portal. Who wasn't doing this in 1999?

Everyone working with the current web tech at the time saw a need for this kind of thing and grew their own. I really don't know how they expect to win. The .NET Framework isn't really like Vertical's tech at all. Sharepoint/web parts, on the other hand, seems more like what Vertical has produced. .NET, you still have to do a lot of work to achieve what Vertical's patent covers. Besides, architecture is architecture. Using components in the web was a natural progression from classic ASP inline script or static html. I guess Vertical should sue Plumtree, Sun, BEA and the rest of the world for this one. <<

Everybody? 1999? Are you sure about that, doc? That's funny. There were only a select group of software pioneers aware of XML back in 1999 and you're saying "Everyone working with the current web tech at the time saw a need for this kind of thing and grew their own."?  Want a little XML history? http://www.w3.org/XML/hist2002
XML Development History - Historical events in and around the W3C XML Activity include Recommendations:

Want some more?
http://www.itwriting.com/xmlintro.php
Copyright Tim Anderson January 2004
Read the paragraph on Microsoft and XML. Microsoft thought they had VCSY wrapped up.

And, by the way, the aforementioned Charles Goldfarb was among those besides IBM touting VCSY's XML solutions back in the early years. Here's a sample:

SEC Info - Vertical Computer Systems Inc - 10KSB - For 12/31/01

Dr. Charles Goldfarb, recognized authority of Markup Languages, ... to the State of Texas procurement system, in the 4th Edition of the XML Handbook. ...
www.secinfo.com/drDcf.3bt.htm - 565k - Cached - Similar pages
More results from www.secinfo.com »

"The .NET Framework isn't really like Vertical's tech at all. Sharepoint/web parts, on the other hand, seems more like what Vertical has produced. .NET, you still have to do a lot of work to achieve what Vertical's patent covers."

Uhhh, you see, the idea is, Microsoft wanted .Net to BECOME what VCSY Siteflash could do. Not the wrong way around as this numbnut saw it. I wonder how he sees it now?

And, yes Virginia. Sharepoint was somwhat like SiteFlash. Now, the idea is to make Sharepoint a whole lot like SiteFlash and become a living software ecology for Windows. Thus Windows 7's humble beginnings.

Keep reading, pilgrim. You'll learn by accident. 

>>#10 Posted by NightmarE D on 21 Apr 2007 - 20:25
It's a company that isn't worth a nickel whose desperate for money.

I hate companies like this. They can't make a name for themselves so they'll try to sue another company to make a few dollars.
 #10.1 Posted by Ideas Man on 22 Apr 2007 - 01:13
Are we talking about Real here

I absolutely agree. If this was such a big deal, why wasn't the suit done back in 2002? Why is it loosers like this, Real, Eolas and the like wait years before they sue? I reckon there should be some expirary date on these things, because they almost always ask for damages in the millions, and they always sue well after the product is used by the millions, seems wrong to me.<<

Uhhhh, hello dummy. The patent was not granted until 2004. VCSY gave Microsoft a long time to get their act together and negotiate for a settlement.

"and they always sue well after the product is used by the millions, seems wrong to me" That's right. Millions. Seems fair, equitable and right to me.

>>#11 Posted by Jugalator on 21 Apr 2007 - 20:52
Haha, "arbitrary object framework"?

So in other words, they try to enforce a patent about "building websites in a modern programming language"?

Wow, I hope they won't succeed in that... <<

Haha. Haha haha. Haha hahaha hahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahaaaaaahahahahaaaaa. I don't think I'll ever stop laughing at that one.

>>#12 Posted by black_death on 21 Apr 2007 - 21:06
roflmao! this has got to be my second favourite patent infringement suite next to the MP3 one of course. who the hell works at the US patent office, elementary school drop outs? <<

Blah blah blah. The stupid ones are the ones who shoot their clueless foot while it's in their clueless mouth. This has got to be my favorite patent infringement suit (not suite you idiot) next to none.

>><#13 Posted by Jelly2003 on 21 Apr 2007 - 21:16
Step 1) Lets found a company
Step 2) Lets have an idea and patient it
Step 3) Lets stick our head in the sand
... YEARS LATER ...
Step 4) Lets take our head out the sand

HOLY CRAP! Someone has been infringing our patient for over 5 years!
LETS SUE!!!

PS. How pathetic, this company doesn't even deserve the time of day.
What's their excuse? They're a "Global Web Services Provider", how could anyone who develops for the net not know about ASP.net?

Obviously what's happened is that the company has been bought out, and the new directors have suddenly realised that the company has these patients which can bail them out of trouble, because obviously they don't have a clue about the internet, they're not making money from it, so the only way that they can survive is by stealing from those who do know about the internet.<<

Isn't it amazing just how uninformed the loudmouths turn out to be? it's a fact of nature. Loudmouth dumbasses are made, not born.

>>#14 Posted by +Octol on 21 Apr 2007 - 21:20
Quote -
VCSY’s main administrative software product is emPath 6.3, which is developed and distributed by Now Solutions, Inc.. Vertical’s primary internet core technologies include SiteFlash™, ResponseFlash™ and the Emily XML Scripting Language, which can be used to build web services.

I can't wait for Adobe to nail these guys for trademark infringement:

SiteFlash™
ResponseFlash™

Using the "Flash" name, even as part of a compound term, would be no different than using SiteWindows™" or "ResponseWindows™", and we all know how long Microsoft would let them get away with that!<<

Well, now, isn’t THAT an interesting opinion? What’s up with Adobe? Are they deaf? Hard of reading? DO you think Adobe knew what they were doing when they codenamed AIR Apollo?

VCSY: At the Epicenter of the New Truly Global Internet Revolution
All the products sold on the sites will be able to be purchased by major credit card or VCSY'swebsites' Apollo Smart Card with enhanced security and ...
www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-23-2001/0001474662&EDATE= - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

Do you think they got the news yet. Do you think these guys commenting will ever get smart?

>>#15 Posted by water.hammer on 21 Apr 2007 - 21:48
Uber pwnage<<

I wonder if "water.hammer" pissed his leg off? Pure ownership on VCSY's behalf. The rest of you nitwits can line up and take a number. Do the peepee dance if you're in a hurry.

>>  #16 Posted by MaceX on 21 Apr 2007 - 22:16
You get 1000 people to solve a problem.

90% of them will solve the problem in some way that would infringe on a patent.

That's the problem with software patents. It stifles development in software because there is so much collusion. <<

Do you mean collusion by those in the software industry who tried to destroy VCSY? That must be what he means. Who else would VCSY collude with to have their patent granted?

>>#17 Posted by  neufuse on 22 Apr 2007 - 01:37
too bad the patent doesnt even match how the .NET framework works if you read it...... and they are "Vertical is asking for a jury trial." asking for a jury trial because they know a judge would throw it right out.. they just want to confuse people that dont understand the tech and make them think they are the same

Last edited by neufuse on 22 Apr 2007 - 01:44<<

Too bad neufuse doesn’t know a judge hears the Markman Hearing which determines by law which side of the litigation has rightful ownership of the patent claims language.The jury is just there to determine just how heinous the infringement is for the purpose of apportioning damages.

>>#18 Posted by theh0g on 22 Apr 2007 - 11:53
Don't software patents ever expire? <<

Sure. The Siteflash patent will expire around 2024. Are you going to hold it that long? You'll bust a kidney, you know...

>>#19 Posted by zivan56 on 22 Apr 2007 - 18:15
Wouldn't Java be violating this as well then?<<

Well now, it all depends on what you're doing with Java, Einstein. If you're imitating the claims of the 644 patent with Java then Yes. If not, then No.

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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:45 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 28 September 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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Tuesday, 16 September 2008
Tweaking the Teats on the Old Bored Hog
Mood:  incredulous
Now Playing: Slappin' Granny - Newbies in the old folks home get rowdy (missed manners)
Topic: Microsoft and VCSY

How much ya wanna bet Windows 7 turns out to be Vista + Longhorn?

Ready for the pop quiz, class? Let's build a little formula so we can evaluate the future:

Where: (Longhorn - (6826744+ 7076521)) = 0 and (Vista - Longhorn) = funk

Then: 6826744 + Vista = Windows(7)

Windows 7 hits Milestone 3
Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:50 am
September 16th, 2008

Home Groups — the functionality formerly known in “Longhorn”/Vista as “Castle” — is part of the new Windows 7 build.

Windows 7 does not look or feel like a major departure from Windows Vista.

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If you're going to try to follow all this, you first need to nail some thumbtacks to the wall with some yarn, some dates and some events (maybe even some dates of your own from what you've seen and heard - wouldn't THAT be exciting, kids? Kind of like Harry HomeDetective.) and start tracking this stuff like a big game hunter.

Why? Because it is a big game. A BIG game.

https://ajaxamine.tripod.com/index.blog?topic_id=1089847

Either that or sit back in the Buick and let the dynaflow transmission do the work. Just listen to the radidio.

Patent 744 is all about enclosing the operating arena in a life-long ecology where all is affiliated and known. This method in and of itself is inherently more secure as anyone not affiliated simply can't get in without affiliation credentials. When something like the security system VCSY has rights to (Tecsec and ImmuneApp ) envelopes the ecology, you have a virtual cocooned community for living software.

You juniors have a whole lot to learn since you've been ignorant for so long. Do some serious study instead of shaking your head at VCSY's small size. Size is in the bite, not the bark.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 10:07 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 11:16 PM EDT
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Monday, 15 September 2008
I dug this out of the trash and put it on Ebay... thus the mansion.
Mood:  lazy
Now Playing: Airsick - Hedge fund hogs find their own redirection lands in their lap (food and fun)
Topic: Pervasive Computing

I was asked to try to present what VCSy technology does as simply as possible. Well, I've been digging through some old files and I came upon a diagram I did last year and thought I might offer it for your viewing here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I realize this is a very simplified schematic, but, that's what 744/521 does. It simplifies.

Let me know if you have any questions.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:51 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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