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VCSY - A Laughing Place #2
Saturday, 5 May 2007
When I see the Grand Canyon I see a long way to go to get to the fishers.
Mood:  a-ok
Now Playing: 'The View From Here' Lovers Leap with their new hit.
Topic: Notable Opinions

This is from an anonymous (see how easy it is to leave a comment here?) comment posted but it's an excellent anologed view of what I was saying about the VCSY patents so I thought I might put it here as a Notable Opinion topic.

Entered: Saturday, 5 May 2007 - 03:00 EDT
Name: "Hey Port"
Comment:

 You don't have to post this, its more of a question to you.  From reading both patents (Siteflash and XML enabler)  This is what came to mind, because you were mentioning how they mirror each other.  I'm just checking in to see if I'm off or not because I don't want to base anymore thought on the idea if its off.

 

Macrocosm and microcosm is an ancient Greek schema of seeing the same patterns reproduced in all levels of the cosmos. It may have begun with Democritus in the 5th century B.C. or with Pythagoras and is a philosophical conception that runs through Socrates, and Plato and through to the Renaissance. With Pythagoras, the discovery of the golden ratio and its philosophical conception called the Golden mean, the Greeks saw that this golden ratio is repeated in all parts of the ordered universe both large and small. The Greeks were very concerned with a rational explanation of everything and saw this repetition of the golden mean as a pattern that was reproduced throughout reality. It is a product of the ancient Greek mentality of seeing reality as a whole and noticing patterns that are repeated throughout all the levels of reality. In short, it is the recognition that the same traits appear in entities of many different sizes, from one man to the entire human population.

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Good ideas have simplicity at their essential root. Good ideas reach a balance naturally by virtue of their form. Bad ideas have complexity at their essential root. Bad ideas require a great deal of force to be and stay balanced. 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:39 PM EDT
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Nuckles Demoan was my name in a former life cycle.
Mood:  bright
Now Playing: 'Kookamonga Kookie' Call girl abducted by Wanga Pangy islanders of Catalina. (Comedy/Sport)
Topic: Apple Fritters

Testify Church! Holylooye.

By: KRBJR
04 May 2007, 10:08 PM EDT
Msg. 157160 of 157164
(This msg. is a reply to 157157 by nicheslapper.)

Hey slapper, don't numerate your poultry till the period of incubation has materialized......he who laughs last laughs best.....Rastamafoo has been trying to tell you folks ya need to beware but I see you folks are taking it personal.....trust me, there is nothing personal, its strictly business......good luck to ya....krbjr

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- No Position)

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Like the guy said, nothingk personal. It's just what we do. It's just what krbjr and others alike do - the brethren and sisterns of consistent disappointment, one might say. Knit together in a bond of constant familiar desertation.

Some of it have been at it for seven years+ and perhaps spend more time with 'the crew' than most people spend with their golf clubs and kids combined. We's all tight, jackup.

Somebody tries to smother our baby, we start trying to find out if we can squeeze a little straw in there up the nostril so little junior (aka 'Leetel Keeler' Maxi-lead gas in the tank - make the ultraviolets sheen like a mama bird's pee) can at least make it to the next feeding.

We Promise we'll be nice but it's instinct to protect what is precious and what's more precious than money, right?

Golly gee, Missus Jenkins, city folk ain't never seen a cow et by ants. In the South, fire ants, make the little pissants running through your sugar bowl like it's Pensacola look like pissants. A fire ant is able to cause with one bite a sting and an itch that will forever remind you 'kill the fire ants where ever you find them'. Only one problem is they evolve to immune so the more you try to eliminate them from your property the larger and meaner they are out in the neighbor's property. It takes a village to kill fire ants.  Can't we all just get along? Throw the fire ants a cow every other week and everybody's happy.

How do you get rid of them? Never let them get established in the first place. I know that doesn't help the cow under consumption but it might help others in the heard.

Am I too cute or what? 

Try to fight them now that they are established and they do nothing but bite you every weekend and tunnel while you are at work. 

Like my landscape? It's a lawn with a rose bush and the sky with fire ants falling out of the blue. Things like that happen around twisters. You get cars, trailers, frogs, cows (That's the brown thing falling out of the sky) and just about everything else you can think of fall from the sky after a TexasTittyTwister. Oh... and fireants. A mode of transportation for fire ants just like dust and hail and marbles.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 1:19 PM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 5 May 2007 1:52 PM EDT
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Friday, 4 May 2007
I done looked out there and they was a squirrel in this old boy's socks...
Mood:  hungry
Now Playing: 'Wick's Waiders' Colonal Rick commands his soldiers in spite of speech impediment. Tyones Power / Humfy Gocart
Topic: Panama

Newbees and Oldbees alike. Yes dammit I do believe Panama deserves its own topic just as Gettysbird or Squirrel Harbor deserve mention in a historical sense to make sure we keep our fodder dry and make sure mudder has at least a tin of porky beans for dindin.

Some of you may have noticed I've updated the timeline with a couple items pertaining to Yayhoo. Some of you wouldn't notice if a squirrel were provisioning for a hard winter in your socks.

I said these mutterings last year about Yahoo/Panama and the oddnesses going on... perhaps somebody can dig them up in the posting histories on Raging Bull VCSY of (who was I then - I can't remember) anyway if you need help ask one of the longs like morrie or sirius or baveman. Leave RR2 alone to battle the beebles.

Yahoo took a very large hit when they had to delay Panama last year... for technical reasons... one week after VCSY received the "XML Enabler Agent" patent. Like Vista was delayed... for technical reasons. Like Leopard has been delayed... for technical reasons.

Panama was the great hope for Yahoo and the delay no doubt took a heavy toll, but they manage to roll it out finally February 1, 2007. One week before VCSY served Microsoft with a cease and desist order on .Net for infringement on VCSY SiteFlash patent.

Here's an interesting article about what folks were looking forward to seeing in Panama: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060508-093509

Might I make a suggestion that is not new? There are a number of bloggers suggesting what I am going to say already. They doubtless know much more about the subject than I do, but the suspicion dovetails with some other items that make it seem... well... suspicious.

I do believe Microsoft wants Yahoo particularly for Panama. The implications made by the 'coincidental' dates and events in only this small section of der timeline vershtinken tell my paranoid delusional mind MSFT could then grandfather whatever deal Yahoo may have cut in order to feel comfortable introducing Panama (should Panama actually be using VCSY IP as opposed to the image of a bumbling techrockacy that can't do software right the first time... like Microsoft/Viridian and Apple/Leopard).

Much opinion regards Microsoft + Yahoo a bad fit, assuming MSFT is angling to acquire the audience (is it really worth $50 billion?) and the Panama technology.

Microsoft has not been able to move the bar up on their actually deployed web offerings. If an IP issue is a major reason for the talks, what would regulators think of Microsoft so obviously attempting to gain a shelter from... what? Puny little VCSY?

Something the size of a flea giving an elephant a fit? Am I crazy or what? At its peak, so far, this blog attracts only around 350 readers in spurts.  There's a consistent audience of around 250. Now you know just how 'unknown' Vertical is in computer land.

Days and weeks are ahead and one thing we've learned in our watchings of this interesting technological soap opera: stress across an uncontrollable dynamic mass makes the bad guys make mistakes. 

And boy is this a massive mass. Somebody light some candles and bring in some buckets of holy water. They's gonna be a purging of evil spirits in the halls of ivy. 

 

PS - Yo yup yep. yahooo is only valuable in its "live" search etc. 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:45 PM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 5 May 2007 10:53 AM EDT
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Thursday, 3 May 2007
Cisco came in blastin', drinkin' port.
Mood:  special
Now Playing: 'The Cisco Kid Was a Friend of Mine' War
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

 

Bill Gates sells 2,987,500 shares of MSFT at around $30 (~$90,000,000) and the reaction is odd. What I mean is I haven't heard the thoroughly duped mobs screaming in the streets yet.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000090201207000026/xslF345X02/edgar.xml 

I have to say I think Bill Gates is doing the smart thing by selling here. SMart but not necessarily good-guy-like. The more obvious question is, will he be riding south to hole up?

I say strip him of every freckle from that Alfred E. Neuman head.

 

 Alfred E. Neuman milk.jpg

What? Me worry? 

By: 4sirius2
03 May 2007, 07:37 PM EDT
Msg. 184082 of 184085
(This msg. is a reply to 184081 by 4sirius2.)

He's selling near the high for the year, and when the market has topped. Smart play. If you crank in speculation that there's more
trouble ahead for the company and their .Net Framework, then you
have a more compelling cause. You might go farther out on the
proverbial limb and say that they might be in negotiations while
stalling for insiders to exit at the optimum point before settling.

Many times there are more than one or two reasons for something
happening.

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)

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By: mm-buster
03 May 2007, 07:51 PM EDT
Msg. 184083 of 184087
(This msg. is a reply to 184082 by 4sirius2.)

sirius, I smelt a rat after this PR

By: mm-buster
27 Apr 2007, 06:17 PM EDT
Msg. 157071 of 157148
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1.7 Billion in deferred revenue(sounds fishy) imo

http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/27/microsoft-vista-zune-pf-ii-in_jd_0427newsletterwatch_inl.html?partner=yahootix



By: mm-buster
26 Apr 2007, 08:35 PM EDT
Msg. 157052 of 157133
(This msg. is a reply to 157048 by als431.)
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I think the numbers could be inflated, so the big boys can sell-off at top dollar! lil VCSY is gonna slay this giant! just my opinion

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- No Position; ST Rating- Strong Sell; LT Rating- Strong Sell)


AP
Microsoft COO Sells Shares
Wednesday May 2, 2:38 pm ET
Microsoft Chief Operating Officer Brian Kevin Turner Sells 120,000 Shares

NEW YORK (AP) -- The chief operating officer of Microsoft sold 120,000 shares of common stock, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.
In a Form 4 filed with the SEC Tuesday, Brian Kevin Turner reported he sold the shares Monday for $30.03 to $30.06 apiece.

Insiders file Form 4s with the SEC to report transactions in their companies' shares. Open market purchases and sales must be reported within two business days of the transaction.

Microsoft is based in Redmond, Wash.


(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 8:11 PM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 8:40 PM EDT
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So run around the mountain one more time and we'll call it a workout.
Mood:  smelly
Now Playing: 'Fatty Behind Deposits' Artful dodger Bigamus 'Fatty' Behind waits for Godot in Gollywood.
Topic: Integroty

Methinks there's a pot of soup bubbling in the IBM cauldron and some people are upset they won't get to eat any.

Please consider the comments attached to the following post and draw your own conclusions. Timeframe is right, isn't it, children? 

Bessy Mae is gonna recompany me on the autoharpy. Key o' G, lil' darlin'.

Central to the discussion at hand is whether Charles Northrup patents describing a "virtual network" impact VCSY's work describing virtual operating systems, virtual applications and the virtualization elements necessary for effective distribution of those virtual assets. I believe it complements that work. And why IBM is addressed for questions about this... I don't know.

To wit:

"Equinom now has an exclusive license to Charlie's PDCX protocol ...which it's renamed PeerEdge. PeerEdge is a networking platform that melds the concepts of P2P, grid computing and web services into a single broadband network services environment for SMS, VOIP, transactional web services and systems and applications integration.

Equinom CEO Tim Negris points out that... With PeerEdge, the content stays with the owner. It doesn't get stashed on some server somewhere.... "

And Charles Northrup is neck deep in corn. Maybe that's why the chickens are pecking.

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=328292#abstract 

Background on Charles J. Northrup: 

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001oct/gee20011030008583.htm 

And an illuminating excerpt:

"Most big companies faced with similar patent "problems" buy out the patent holder, as Oracle did this summer (2001) with Strategic Processing (a company that owned a key patent for "online marketplaces"). Other companies keep going without worrying, confident that a small company or individual with a patent won't be able to afford the time or money it takes to keep up the patent continuation filings and legal battles."

Well, now, I don't know about you but, to my way of thinking, that could be real risky move especially when one of your larger competitors could work out some creative move that lets them take advantage of the patent content without having to disclose the use until much later... after you've gone and knitted your dicky all the way up past your ears.

What's that you say granny?

'Mmmmffffkkkkkrrrrr.' 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 2:10 PM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 3:39 PM EDT
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It's not that you have a contrary view. It's that you can't see the back of your head.
Mood:  caffeinated
Now Playing: 'What's the Matter with Mom?' Stressed out mother starts giving her children away at supermarket. (Family Crisis/Therapy)
Topic: Integroty
We got room on the flatbed for a few more, folks.
April 10th, 2007

Microsoft naysayer bandwagon gets crowded

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 10:57 am Categories: General, Software Infrastructure, Vista, Google, Microsoft

 

The guest list for Microsoft's alleged funeral is long.

Over the weekend, blogger Paul Graham stirred up a Techmeme hornet nest when he declared Microsoft dead. Today, Goldman Sachs removed Microsoft from its "conviction list," the equivalent of a super-duper buy list.

The Goldman report was spurred as analyst coverage was handed from Chris Sailer to Sarah Friar. Long-time Microsoft analyst Rick Sherlund recently left Goldman.

In the report, Friar talks about the end of Microsoft's dominance. Friar didn't change estimates and kept a "buy" rating so the hubbub may be a bit overblown. Nevertheless, it's worth examining her key points since they seem to be so prevalent these days.

"Product upgrade cycles should provide strong revenue and profit growth in the next 12-plus months. Normally, this would make us view the stock as a must-own. At the same time, these launches may also mark the end of an era, as changing technology and business models seek to diminish Microsoft’s hold on the desktop, which in turn significantly depletes the cash cow."

Friar is partly making the all-too-familiar case that Microsoft's best days are behind it. She hedges her bets in the report outlining both the bull (shares are cheap and there's a big product cycle) and bear cases, but notes the risks facing Microsoft. The big question: Why are so many folks worried about Microsoft?

It all seems a bit premature. Sure Google may be sexier–just ask the Microsoft employees that are defecting and burning bridges on the way out–but can you really say a company with $28.8 billion in cash is on the downswing? I can't.

Among the key worries raised in Friar's note (and brought up elsewhere too):

It's over after Vista. Friar wrote that "Vista may be the last big operating system developed by the company."

Reality: Possibly, but highly doubtful. Microsoft is already pondering the next Windows. And my hunch is people will probably buy it.

Microsoft needs markets that can move the revenue needle. Friar noted that "size matters for Microsoft. With FY2007 revenues estimated at over $50 billion, Microsoft needs to focus on markets and opportunities that are needle-moving."

Reality: Dead-on. The issue: It's nearly impossible to move the revenue needle with new markets. The solution: Microsoft needs to pull an Oracle and acquire companies to build out its online advertising business. Microsoft needs to buy DoubleClick, Yahoo or both.

Microsoft will be hurt by Linux, Apple and software as a service. Friar notes that desktop Linux could become "increasingly attractive;" Apple "continues to perform well in our IT spending survey;" and SaaS requires Microsoft to "shift gears to embrace new business models."

Reality: All of those risks are very real. But the time frame is key. Realistically, it may take another decade for those aforementioned risks to dent Microsoft. Also keep in mind that Microsoft has already moved to spin open source into mixed source by teaming with Novell. By then, the landscape could change or Microsoft may figure out how to counter those threats.

Microsoft can't be nimble enough to compete with Google. Friar said that "Google is a competitor unlike any Microsoft has seen before. Google’s dominance in search, deep pockets, and “cool” factor make it a serious competitor to Microsoft as it strives to obsolete the desktop operating system."

Reality: Being nimble is a big concern for Microsoft, but the company still seems as competitive as ever. In addition, Google remains a one-trick pony with nearly all of its revenue and profit tied to keyword advertising. Google can nibble at Microsoft's Office juggernaut, but if Microsoft does the same in online advertising it's going to hurt Google more. Nimble is nice, but being massive isn't so bad either.

Microsoft's messaging stinks. Friar notes the frustration on Wall Street with Microsoft's messaging.

Reality: Microsoft's messaging problems go beyond Wall Street. Does anyone really know what the Live brand is about?

Overall, Microsoft does have its challenges, but it's way to early to write the company off. To me, these Microsoft worries would be much more credible if the company was resting on its laurels. That doesn't seem to be the case.

 

Nope. Not resting. Running. Looks to me like they're running for the fence.

Quite frankly, I don't think the ZDNet people know what they're looking at. I think they're inside the monster's stomach and it all looks like digestion to them. 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:47 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 3:43 PM EDT
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Want to make a moon? First, you cut the cheese.
Mood:  spacey
Now Playing: 'Drop It Like It's Hot' American Slam-stand dancers record their movements for posterior view. Dick Clerk presides.
Topic: The Sneaky Runarounds

For those of you wondering why nobody seems to be talking about VCSY: There are a grand total of less than 300 readers on this blog. No $#!@. Which means the audience for VCSY related discussion on a daily basis must be small indeed.

Of course, what that signifies is that any VCSY news sufficient to propel knowledge about the company's current and future state (as opposed to the past state that was pummeled and trashed by negative operatives) will boost above that 300 'diehard fans' number and the stock is tightly held as it stands.

So, we wait.

No, Rastamuffalato is not going to get famous for his magnificent writing at that rate. VCSY won't move as a stock price at that rate either.

The basic truth is: Nobody believes what has been written here or in other places about VCSY so poor Rasta is forced to sit alone on his tuffet twiddling his tomes.

So, if you are likewise wondering why the ladyfinger didn't pop when the match gets put to the fuse, you have a brother in conflict with tepe the magnificents. 

Enjoy reading. In the days ahead, I would like to analyze why a poster like this got it so wrong. It may be useful to see how hoghead cheese is made.

By: tepe
02 May 2007, 05:24 PM EDT
Msg. 183995 of 184030
(This msg. is a reply to 183770 by wacalahan.)

wacalahan, excellent question and one which has been asked here a lot (but it will label you a "basher"). If the "46 reasons" are so great, we should be a lot higher than 2.7 cents. Read through the "46 reasons" and you can distill it down to a few speculative items. But RR loves to add to the list and post endlessly, even though some of the "46 reasons" are 6-7 years old.

This company might have some potential, but it could all fizzle like the Ross lawsuit did. That suit was hyped all last summer, and posters like RR were saying VCSY could get $10-100 million in a verdict. They got $1.3 million plus interest for an alleged $3.5 million in damages when it was all over.

The MSFT lawsuit could be a big deal, if they are really infringing on VCSY's Siteflash patent, and the patent is deemed valid in court. There is a risk that it's deemed too broad and thrown out. OTOH, they could win a significant amount if the verdict is in VCSY's favor. Aside from that, NOW Solutions doesn't appear to be growing, and they're currently the ONLY source of revenue for the company.

The pumpers claim there is an IBM connection to Viper (DB2) but that has never been proven and no revenue has been showing up in the recent filings even though Viper has been shipping for months. I think that's a dead issue....IMO. I see no other revenue source at this time, and it's going to take revenue to move this stock.

If you haven't read the filings, you should. It helps you cut through the hype and specualtion here.

Take what you read here with a grain of salt, and be careful investing. I'm hanging in here just to see how things pan out over the next few months....maybe. GLTY.i??
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Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:11 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 11:12 AM EDT
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Open Bar
Mood:  vegas lucky
Now Playing: 'Rastlin' With The Bar' Mountain man lures city slickers into bear cave. (Adventure/Religion)
Topic: Notable Opinions

 Yo y'all - Benjy on a roll.

By: benjaamin
02 May 2007, 08:55 PM EDT
Msg. 184014 of 184017
(This msg. is a reply to 184009 by riffraff51.)

Tepe.......I guess maybe you'd have to read in between the lines to understand what is going on. I know we've told you a thousand times so, in fact, reading in between the lines for me in this situation would be, that you just don't get it. But I'll try. If you read VCSY's website it says they market through its "distributors". Now its almost like an oil company or a metals company. We know cars use metal, they also use gas. But you never hear of these companies marketing these base products themselves.(for the most part) They sell to other companies and those companies do what they will with the base material. VCSY has "internet core technology" which sort is the equivelant here, in a way. What others choose to make with this technology is their choice.(And you can make amazing things with VCSY technology, you can even make things that make things) Now you might ask, because you've asked it a thousand damn times "well uh, where is the revenue? How come it doesn't say so in their quarterly's?" Good question, tepe. They are probably letting the big companies market(IBM, ADOBE(makes sense since adobe does electronic documents, and data is everything) these applications to figure out a pay scale of which to pay VCSY. After all, why charge them x amount when the impact might be more or less that what was previously thought. The other reason they're probably not mentioning any reason is the same reason they've never anounced these contracts that the good treeforters find out about through some good hard DD. That reason, I don't know, but I have a feeling. But how many pearls can you give away for free anyway, especially to you tepe. Think about it. Did they mention anything of the cease and desist order for MSFT in February? NOoo. So don't think just because someone doesn't tell you all their valuable little secrets that they don't have any. Also, why waste money marketing VCSY's products themselves? Especially when you can have big companies do amazing things with the technology and have THAT speak for itself. And they have the patents, that alone is some pretty damn strong marketing in itself. Because when the big boys realize that they've stepped into someone else's territory when they need to do web-based applications to survive with the trend of things, obviously the legalities will send them towards VCSY. Besides if I was IBM and working with VCSY since 2001 would I want to step out and tell others what I was doing so I could lose my head start in a new evolution of computing?(And thats what this is) IBM developed these products which took five years and are now starting to market them, and it all sounds soooo, well just so familiar. And if you think your ears are decieving you, then read between the lines, MSFT built this whole beautiful(not really) house on this nice hill and realized it wasn't even their property. Thats a mess. IBM isn't that stupid.

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)


btw: Yo yup - heard the bird will chirp tomorrow backatcha. 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:25 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:27 AM EDT
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Wednesday, 2 May 2007
Bessy Mae is gonna recompany me on the autoharpy. Key o' G, lil' darlin'.
Mood:  suave
Now Playing: 'Fry Me Some Froghair Mary Jeane ' Plaintive ballad of unrequited love and passion for country victuals. (Folk, Americana)
Topic: SaaS

 

NOW Solutions Users Conference 2007

May 29 - June 1, 2007  

Loews Coronado Bay Resort, San Diego, CA

Learn about emPath and you will know where Microsoft should have been by now.

 


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 12:00 AM EDT
Updated: Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:06 AM EDT
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Tuesday, 1 May 2007
What the hell could go wrong? Hey, y'all, watch this!
Mood:  accident prone
Now Playing: 'Picking Up Pawpaws' Innocent school children uncover plot to hack community fruit tree down. Wan Ton Hooy (non-fiction)
Topic: TIMELINE

Yeah. THAT's rich. 

April 30th, 2007

My lunch with Ray Ozzie and Scott Guthrie

Posted by Ryan Stewart @ 2:30 pm Categories: Rich Internet Applications, Microsoft, Mix07
icn_balloon_154x48Worthwhile?

Ray OzzieJeff Sandquist of Microsoft set up a lunch for a few of us with Scott Guthrie and Ray Ozzie here at Mix07. It was a great group of people including Richard MacManus (his thoughts on the lunch are up here), Walt Ritscher, Lee Brimelow, Evan Williams, Linda Weinman, and a couple of other people. Overall it was a great session, we started off on some developer-centric conversation and then went into strategy with Ray.

I asked about the inclusion of the Dynamic Language Runtime, something Scott announced during his part of the keynote and something that garnered a bit of attention. I asked Scott what strategic point of it was and whether or not their developer base had been clamoring for the ability to write Ruby against the CLR. The answer to the second was 'not really'. It's compelling for them, but wasn't a huge draw. The answer to the first was that Microsoft wants to bring as many people as possible into the CLR and give them the freedom to choose what language they want. That's a good story, and I'm curious to see what the end result. Evan Williams, the creator of Twitter, one of the most popular Ruby applications out there said it was going to be great for his team because they could build a Silverlight application on top of Twitter using the same skillset they used to build Twitter itself.

The strategy questions were more interesting. In particular when Lee Brimelow asked Scott whether or not we could see an Apollo-type desktop client for Silverlight now that the CLR runs on Mac. Scott said no, but that precipitated a conversation about "in browser" experiences and "out of browser" experiences (I'm not sure Ray or Scott totally get Apollo). Ray said there is a lot of discussion within Microsoft about what applications should run in the browser and how important close ties to the operating system were for big applications. His insight here was excellent, as the founder of Lotus Notes, he talked about how they tried to create an "abstraction layer" so that they could be cross platform. He said focusing on that abstraction layer made them mediocre on all platforms. With WPF Microsoft gives developers a sandbox with all the trappings of a full desktop application, something users know and understand. With browser applications, he said that the model was a bit restrictive for full applications and said Silverlight will focus on enhancing the web experience and not trying to replicate the desktop. There was some talk of Apollo, but as I said, Ray didn't quite seem to grasp that Apollo applications are really desktop experiences with the ties that he mentioned being important. It will be interesting to see how that plays out between Adobe and Microsoft.

This was my first chance to actually chat and listen to Ray in a closer setting. I was really impressed. I think he really believes in the Rich Internet Application space, even if the implementation of the applications differs. I think it's going to be a good contrast for developers who are looking at the various RIA offerings. Flash and Silverlight aren't clones of each other. In many ways, they differ in their approach to enhancing the web.

 

Maybe, but I doubt it. Ray Ozzie is a smart and savvy guy. You can see it in the way he combs his hair. He gets Apollo alright. He has to or he wouldn't be Ray Ozzie. Any kid with a deterministic little heart and access to a whiteboard can get Apollo. What Ray doesn't get is that it doesn't belong to the company he threw in with. We all done it, doc. We all step in the doo. Try our best, we do. Do be do be do. That's the cycles and circles of friends and acquaintences that lure us in further and further where our egos should never go. Like slime on a pipe, ego is. As long as you see it from a distance... maybe a passing car, it's nothing innocuous. Just some gui green. But when you have to 'walk' across that pipe, Maw Dee make dee bed because you gonna be lying in that stuff undernearth the green pipe. And THEN where's your ego?

Uh...Better check with a patent attorney first, Mister Williams. A good one. Oh... and, better make it a good one and not your niece's nephew on your uncle's father's side. 

Or... you COULD inquire as to the standing of that November 2004 promise by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to hold their product clients and customers harmless from any patent lawsuits they might bring upon them due to infringement by MSFT.

You might just want to check the fine print, mon sewer.  I do remember it weren't exactly everybody. Skate, dude. The trick is to not walk but skaaaaattteee.


Posted by Portuno Diamo at 11:26 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, 1 May 2007 11:42 PM EDT
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