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No Fair! It's not my fault! Honest!
By: DC-Steve
09 May 2007, 11:05 AM EDT
Msg. 184585 of 184612
Wow! 40 posts by fastbob between 1 a.m. and 2:45 a.m. RST (Raging Bull Standard Time).
If I didn't know better it would appear that fastbob was in a FRANTIC PANIC to bury yesterday evening's posts under that rapid fire 40 post dump. [In New Orleans the garbage trucks go through the streets at night so you don't have to smell what the winos left for you to walk through on your way to work] You know, I mean those posts from yesterday in which he repeatedly made fantastic claims he couldn't back up and he dodged relevant questions he couldn't answer. [Pardon mon sewer but the man he make the reasonable assumptions based on an intellectually honest read of the information at hand derived from doing what all 'investors' should do and that's due diligence using sources with no boundary but the law.]
At the risking of making fastbob's hard work burning the midnight oil all for naught, let's recap some of bob's assertions of fact that he hasn't been able to support and the questions he can't bring himself to answer: [Yea. DC only works during the day. I was quite surprised to see him chime in after hours of business on May 3 when he began defending Microsoft even though no-one knew Microsoft needed defending. The anticipatory skills a good poster needs to be successful in this business is amazing.]
1) Bob says he knows that MSFT intentionally infringed on VCSY patents [based on a read of the .Net system capabilities from 2000 to present and the lack of advancement in MSFT regarding proper XML theory in spite of the FACT Microsoft is getting behinder and behinder every day they can not answer their competition and critics. Perhaps this individual should offer his skills on the MSFT board at Raging Bull.], and that MSFT and VCSY also know that any judge or jury will definitely rule that way, and that MSFT has therefore already decided to pay VCSY billions of dollars. [Microsoft is facing a market running away with XML based web services marketshare while their own XML technology remains under 'wraps'. Like wrapping an elephant with ace bandages. It can be done, but the result looks like you've mummified a house. A house with no entrance or exit and it's shaped like an elephant. It IS and elephant? Why the hell would anybody want to wrap up an elephant? Did somebody outlaw the circus? PETA? Was it PETA? Them bastids shut my farm down. Happy Acres had the most contented little critters this side of Kentucky. Well, there is that part of the Ozarks, but I didn't get dibs on exclusive, mind ye.] Bob knows [I would say it's around a 95% certainty based on the day to day unravelings in the industry {you have to be able and willing to take in a number of sources beyond what is said on a message board – otherwise you're being lead by the nose by one side or the other. Often it's both. In this instance you have a large number of educated longs who've been at this for years and know the score. Ask yourself how many companies could afford this many pumpers for this one stock for this many years and the price is WHAT?} – all we need is one PR] that they all know that [yup], and Bob also knows that MSFT and VCSY are currently in talks only to determine exactly how many billions will be paid by MSFT to VCSY and how the payments will be split between liscening and royalties. [If they're not, Microsoft will lose their business by rapid onset of persona non thoughta].
Fastbob has made this assertion several times (at least) [I think it's up to 46 so far] , but he has never replied when asked to explain how he knows this [because he would have to explain why drool forms on somebody's lower lip and science hasn't come up with an answer yet]. He has never provided any circumstantial evidence [the 46 reasons are only the stuff that's known for a 95%+ certainty. The 90%+ stuff has to go through the treefort shredder to see if it can be pieced together with the higher resolution stuff] let alone anything close to the proof he claims is available for anyone to see [ha. This guy is talking about 'seeing']. He just keeps saying the proof is in the public record and anyone who fails to acknowledge this is being dishonest [one thing to note about DC is he would make a good lawyer for hisself. He's no foo. He's smart and he knows what subjects he has to cover to stay in bounds]. But he can't identity where in the public record this proof remains hidden in plain sight. [like showing a shower to a pig]
2) Bob says that siteflash and the patent in question are already being marketed and sold by VCSY. When Tepe said they aren't and backed it up by noting that VCSY's only revenue producing product or service does not use siteflash [which tepe is willing to demonstrate with a URL stating that, right? EmPath is 'with other VCSY technologies' little darling so spit out that bug and drink your milk.] , Bob was unable to reply to Tepe's post with anything more specific than what amounts to the grade school retort: "you're wrong and I'm right, so there!" [nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah] Fastbob, mmbuster, beach and anyone else making this claim can't seem to offer any evidence that siteflash or anything related to the patent has ever been successfully marketed by VCSY [please read this: http://www.tribstar.com/local/local_story_127235015.html and then read past VCSY indications as relating to ResponseFlash and draw your own conclusions as to why Sun {maker of mission-critical workstations – think of obese clients each serving as a server for others. Imagine a response network impenetrable (no central servers to be able to target) anyway, read the SiteFlash patent and then read what Sun started by building the 'server farm in a shipping container' and every shipload of rifd tagged objects gets it's own special treatment via continuous audit unseen by human eyes right in front of everybody.}]. They claim it has, but refuse to offer any proof. [The proof is in the pudding – dont' you love it when I'm succinct? Don't get used to it.] VCSY claims to be marketing siteflash and responseflash and they name one single installation of RF [In Marion County Indiana... home of the Terre Haute military base and the center for the 8 day emergency preparedness drill that has been stepping piecewise through major American local government centers like the preparedness drill last year in Jefferson Parish... where VCSY product are known to be fact being employed.] , but the latest 10K filing says their majority owned subsidiary that markets SF and RF has never made any material revenue (and had no assets) [and the write fails to look any further and in fact, refuses to consider any of the information offered. Just like popjason. Just like tepe.]. So it would seem Tepe is correct about VCSY being unable to market anything related to the patent [according to the blind squirrel] so far while Fastbob and the others are wrong, but the faithful longs just keep repeating this apparently false claim regardless of the known facts. [because we truly know the facts]
[NOTE: longs could quibble that VCSY announced that one and only sale and pending installation of ResponseFlash [in Indianapolis, Indiana. Gee. I wonder why Sun calls their system Indiana? Would it not be in Sun's character to mold their bussiness in a remake to fit the original place Sun occupied? As a high-performance workstation for academic, scientific and military tasking. Hey treeforters? I know it's always like we're stuttering the same stuff like porky pig but: Remember NOW? From Berkeley and from the Alameda industrial park? The Network Of Workstations concept? See it again? Anybody? This is what JAVA was originally designed to do back on 95... for smartcards. Now imagine all that cargo read but not seen and a system powerful enough to be able to figger out what cargo is hiding amongst the lot without proper identification... out in the middle of the ocean... from ocean to ocean. Who needs to monitor a port when you can monitor every damn thing that lives in that port?... stupid. ]. But that amounts to arguing a very weak technicality since the sale was announced more than five years ago [there's that five year coincidence again. Damn. And DC doesn't see it. Or doesn't want to see it because it's the end of his career in black and white. Maybe he can move to color? Now THIS SUMMER ON NBC! DC and the Dinkalinks!], VCSY didn't identify the revenue to my knowledge (please correct me if they did), and they haven't announced another sale or installation since [that's right. Marion County is apparently where the pudding gets cooked – Indian must be trying to brand the state as THE emergency response center. HA Imagine a concept like that? A whole state being able to brand itself using the internet and their owned capabilities directly integrated and interpreted (this is where expressions become assertions) by expert consumers and usrs.]. If that's the only marketing "success" VCSY has had with Siteflash related tech, then for all practical purposes Tepe is right while
Fastbob and the others are blowing smoke. [and if not, VCSY is probably the hottest stock to come around in decades]]
3) When asked to reconcile (1) the ACTUAL FACT that VCSY's price hasn't rocketed up and MSFT's price also hasn't been affected by the patent litigation [meaning what? That there are people willing to risk their careers in a brand new technology where they have been installed at the basement to build the bottom floor? That there are people who should be willing to risk jail time (I guess some people think everybody thinks as they do) by revealing information or trying to profit on such information. DC and his folks are woefully behind the times in undderstanding the monitoring capabilities afforded any sort of electronic comm. They think it's still yesterday when today a group using the new socializing technologies available to others besides Microsoft and their developers LOL ... no leaks, Marvin. Nobody even knows what a earth blowerupper looks like.]with (2) his own ASSERTION OF FACT that MSFT, VCSY, and dozens of retail investors already know that VCSY will definitely get billions from the litigation, fastbob declined to reply. [Amazon looks like a good start. Because, if Amazon is using IBM technology, they will need VCSY technology to put the activitities described by IBM's patents into use effectively.] He can't seem to explain how VCSY's inevitable huge victory has escaped the notice of all the Wall Street and tech industry analysts who are paid millions of dollars to, among other things, spot big developments on the horizon such as the likely impact of pending litigation. [because wallstreet listens to all those people who sit on a message board pounded one failure after another into the ground. They forget one out of a million gophers turns our to be a bullet.]
Fastbob knows the outcome with certainty. So do portuno [yup I can speak for myself], beach, mm-buster and who knows how many other IP litigation experts [HA yeah who knows?] who happen to be members of the VCSY investment cult [there are only around 400 people showing up to read this crap at my house. I don't know how many at RB. We had only 100 at Pheaven and that got too uncomfortable for the .NetNest – who knows who reads this but it's an awful small group for such a large concept.]. MSFT corporate management, VCSY corporate management and their respective legal teams also know the outcome has already been determined and that VCSY will get billions. [Is this where the poster tells the truth and hopes it zings by so fast you don't get it but he knows he has to inform everybody lawfully – especially since Microsoft readers will be taking his words into consideration. You think the smart cats are going to waste their time reading my bilge? Not on your life unless they are a rarity among that crowd and have a sense of humor.]
But somehow the most brilliant, best informed and highly motivated technology investment professionals from Wall Street to Silicon Valley to London to Zurich to Tokyo to Paris and all points in between, above and below haven't been able to figure out what is so obvious to Fastbob and pals [Again the truth. And the readers believe DC because e's telling them the truth. They won't see what I am saying as truth because I've been phished and portrayed as a feckless, bumbling demento.]. The litigation is public. Surely many pros took note of it as they typically would in their daily routines [one woul dthink but the laughing stopped on the slashdot board when I posted details beyond what the essential moron woul dassume.]. But none of them have yet grasped even the potential significance of the litigation let alone that the final outcome is already a fait accompli. [I'm glad DC will be able to stand there flat footed and tell the judge eh told the truth everywhere while working on this account.]
That's fastbob's story about the preordained, multi-billion dollar success of VCSY's litigation. He just can't fill in any of the details for his central plot. [Because RR2 is using public reacords. I wonder what DC coul dtell us?] I guess it's a good thing that fastbob isn't trying to make a living as a novelist and restricts his forays in to realms of fictional mystery to stock message boards [The fictional mystery will be 'where did DC move to after the big blow and what name is he posting today?].
P.S. To you investors out there who want me to tell me yet again to "can it" because you're sick and tired of me attacking VCSY like this, read this post again before you post that inane crap again. You will find no negative comments [Nope.] whatsoever nor even any vague suggestions about VCSY [Nope.], its chances of winning the patent lottery [Nope.], or its future business prospects[Nope.]. If you do, then just like fastbob, you've got a little problem with distinguishing between fastbob and VCSY. And probably between VCSY and yourself, too. [So what's the point and why did you write this?]
It may also be useful to remind yourself as often as necessary that questioning unsupportable or just typically debatable assertions made by VCSY supporters is NOT an attack on VCSY [OK]. It's not even an attack on the supportive poster unless you consider it a personal attack to ask someone to back up their assertions of fact or their speculative comments with some evidence and rationale [OK].
Also try to remember that when some of us state the future is almost always uncertain and no one on this board knows for sure how the litigation will play out or how successful VCSY may ultimately be, that is NOT an attack on VCSY. It's just common sense. [Yada yada yada get to your point or is all THIS your point that you didn't do anything wrong? Trying to help out a sick friend? Is your sick friend in the newspaper business? Hvave you even read the papers yet? Including the patents in question?]
I don't really understand it [We don't understand what you're doing here either. Must be a day off. Holiday? Bar mitz? Ritz crackers?], but these very obvious observations about what constitutes an attack on VCSY aren't obvious at all to quite a few participants on this board [That should tell the new reader all they should want to know]. I don't think it's because these folks are FRANTIC or PANICKED. I suspect it's just because some folks have been hearing portuno and fastbob sell them on the certainty of VCSY's success for so long - and sell them on the certain wealth in store for VCSY investors and the certainly evil nature of anyone who questions their alleged certainties - that a few of them now instinctively react as if those obviously arguable conclusions posted daily by Fastbob are actually proven facts. [I leave the reader to determine the validity of the following claims: http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=184572 ]
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I'm going to just leave this one in the oven to let it simmer in its own delicious juices. Then we'll do some basting.
By: DC-Steve
09 May 2007, 02:22 PM EDT
Msg. 184608 of 184656
(This msg. is a reply to 184591 by surferdude1959.)
Surfer, here's a very direct version for you:
RapidRob and others here are literally our of their minds at least when their minds are focused on VCSY. Either that or they're obnoxious fraudsters. E.g., in one post RapidRob says VCSY has already won, MSFT has already decided to pay, and the only question he can't answer is how many billions MSFT will pay. In the next breath he says he has to take on the "bashers" in order to "protect my investment" from the mercenary evil doers who were sent to destroy it by MSFT or someone else. Is that crazy or what? If the game is over and his team has won, why does he feel compelled to take on the "bashers" and what could he possibly need to protect VCSY from? If MSFT has already acknowledged it has to pay, why would they be sending bashers to post on this board? (Why would they do that in ANY imaginable scenario) The dude can't see the self-contradictions and crazy illogic in his own posts made during the same session on this board. Direct enough?
Here's another direct version:
RapidRob, beach, mmbuster are full of crap on a daily basis. They constantly lie, with conscious intent or not, about what they know and don't know and what this purported knowledge confirms about VCSY's future success. And they constantly make ugly accusations about others that they have no rational reason to believe let alone state in public. In short, their obsession with VCSY has turned them in to repulsive little shmucks if they weren't that way to begin with.
But that direct version might come off as unsupported assertions and accusations from me. So here's the short-ish version if you want a more cogent explanation:
Many of the self-described strong long investors who post on this board habitually misrepresent what is factual and what is speculative about issues of great importance to current and potential VCSY investors (e.g., MSFT has already decided it will pay VCSY billions and VCSY's technology will necessarily make it a huge player in the industry for years to come). These misrepresentations, repeated many times each day, can only serve to deceive the readers of this board. While it's understandable that folks sometimes get caught up in the moment and misrepresent the speculative as being factual, these posters continue to post these misrepresentations every day even after the fallacious essence of their assertions has been proven to them repeatedly. That, in effect, limits the explanations for their behavior in this context to only two likely possibilities: (1) they are willful liars consciously trying to deceive the readers of this board; or (2) they're so emotionally invested in VCSY that they've deluded themselves in to believing that what they wish will become true in the future is already preordained to become true. They therefore suffer through attacks of acute paranoia and even temporary insanity whenever their delusions are challenged.
I guess a third possibility is that they suffer from more serious forms of mental illness that aren't just triggered by challenges to the religious dogma of the VCSY cult, but there's no point in going down that wildly speculative path based on the information available to us.
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